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Wasps Rugby Discussion / A third way?
« on: June 06, 2023, 08:20:17 PM »
We?ve had three teams go pop. I imagine at least one of Tigers, Exeter or AN Other may be next. That would give a core of 4 teams. You then have some ambitious Championship clubs in Ealing, Coventry, Jersey, Pirates and Doncaster. They are held back by the PRL closed shop and cannot progress (if indeed they see promotion that way). They pretty much universally agree that the RFU sees them as an inconvenience and pays them a pittance. We?ve got Welsh clubs on the brink, unable to make the numbers add up. How satisfying would it be to say no thanks to the PRL and RFU and just set up a league of 12-14 on terms agreed by all. Maybe semi pro or certainly with a massively lowered cap and any deals that can be struck are just shared out. Huge logistical challenge and probably too complicated to become reality but something has to change.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / From the bottom we go!
« on: May 21, 2023, 06:48:44 PM »
It?s very apparent we are going to start at the bottom of the league structure. The why?s and wherefores have been discussed in full. But as other fans have said, what a journey the trip back up might be. There are no guarantees of progression through the leagues and there are lots of them. But for me, if there?s one thing this sorry debacle has crystallised in my mind it?s that I?m not too bothered about taking part in what will become a stale, repetitive and broke premiership. I?m looking forward to the journey, based on the model of sustainability, that I think we?ll embark on. I think we?ll still have our team. It won?t be Leota, Rees, Varndell, Gopperth or Beale but it will be Wasps. I?m happy to get behind whatever emerges.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Farcical stuff.
« on: March 31, 2023, 08:25:09 PM »
Encouraging news for Bath who have come through uncertain times and recorded just a ?160,000 loss. Well done Bath. But hold on. Craig has increased his interest free loan by approx ?16m. Shambolic.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Birmingham City
« on: March 07, 2023, 09:11:49 PM »
Just a snippet. Rumours circulating that Birmingham City will train at Henley in Arden due to problems at their own training ground. Temporary by the looks and unfounded at this point. Possibly an income stream of sorts though.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Tackle height laws
« on: January 26, 2023, 11:27:32 PM »
Tackle height laws proposed for championship down now extended to elite rugby. My personal opinion - it?s a disastrous decision that could mean the game we follow becomes pretty much farcical. Lots of opinion out there. What do we think.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Salt in wounds
« on: January 13, 2023, 11:05:12 PM »
Following us folding I, along with many, have found it hard to watch/get enthused about the game. As if to rub salt in the wounds the games I’ve watched seem to always have ex Wasps being absolutely outstanding! Admittedly I am choosing games solely because they have ex Wasps in but Atkinson, Bassett, Robson, J Willis, T Willis, Odogwu, Cruse, Ryan and Umaga have all looked brilliant for their new clubs. And watching Tigers hold out v Clermont tonight thanks in part to a couple of ex Wasps just made me realise how much I miss being invested in a game. Roll on next season when we can hopefully wholeheartedly back a team again whatever it’s make up.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Who next?
« on: December 21, 2022, 07:48:04 PM »
Telegraph just released an exclusive that more clubs face financial disaster. Behind a paywall so can’t tell if it’s a rehashing of the “clubs owe lots of money” story or whether there’s something more specific in it. The Telegraph normally get it right and before most others to be fair to them.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Who might stay?
« on: October 20, 2022, 07:47:17 PM »
I’m really just trying to take my mind off imminent departures but taking the huge leap of faith that we have the ability to start in the champ next season which names could we expect to see? Forwards wise I could see Harris, Nearchou, Cruse, Millar-Mills, Dodson, Vukasinovic, Morris, Curran and Brown. Backs wise Wolstenholme, Craven, Hartley, Mills, Dawkins, Bacon. Maybe at a stretch Haydon-Wood and Crossdale?

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Uncomfortable question
« on: October 20, 2022, 03:26:50 PM »
In all the analysis on the financial disaster that has done for us it isn’t being that widely acknowledged that as a rugby team Wasps seem to have been royally shafted. Lwasp and backdoc touched on it yesterday and I’ve been angry about it since Monday’s announcement. Why were the stadium business and the rugby team separated? Vaughan gave an unsatisfactory answer in his podcast. But the bottom line seems to me to be the rugby side was squashed under a load of debt mainly relating to an asset it doesn’t own. The stadium business has or will go into admin separately as people want to buy it. Whereas the rugby side has done so separately eliminating any hope of a rescue combined with the arena. I’m sure it could be argued that from a hard nosed business perspective this is the right thing to do. But I have a nagging feeling Wasps, the rugby team has carried the can for possibly more than it should have done and has then been cast aside as it adds no value to any sale. Happy if someone more financially savvy can put my mind at rest.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Moving to anger.
« on: October 14, 2022, 05:33:10 PM »
Obviously been loads in the press over the last couple of days. Is anyone else shifting from hope to anger. You have to pick your way through the press repetition and guff but amongst it I’m in no real doubt that as supporters we’ve generally been lied to. Phrases in the press that stick out such as “the debt has been horribly managed”, “the debt pile is huge”, “we won’t be going into administration” etc etc. So why on earth were we signing Koch? Building a training ground? Selling season tickets? It’s evident that we’ve been hugely mid-managed as well as misled and you have to wonder if it’s the best thing for those who got us into the mess to be the ones getting us out. I understand all about covid etc and of course it played a part but actions after that are seriously doubtful. With the Armstrong bid looking like failing and the other two seeming to be Ashley or the NEC I sense a complete reboot awaits - and the more that emerges about the current chapter you have to think it’s for the best. I’ll follow the team if they emerge from this - wherever that may be as I’ve seen with my own eyes the effort and commitment on the pitch. Unfortunately off it, as supporters, we’ve been shafted.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / What will Eddie make of it?
« on: September 24, 2022, 01:41:18 PM »
Obviously Jones was there last night and will have been appraised of our games so far. I think we may have several forcing their way into his thinking. T Willis, J Willis, T West, C Atkinson, J Launchbury the most serious possibilities. Wild card possibilities Bassett and Alo although I think we’ll keep both.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Falcons - prem cup
« on: September 18, 2022, 03:45:21 PM »
Is this included in the season ticket package?

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Four who deserve a chance.
« on: September 18, 2022, 02:57:28 PM »
Not one for hitting the panic button or having knee jerk reactions but two games in four changes I think Blackett should be considering. 1) Mehson for Kibirige. Kibirige hasn’t been the same player since he was knocked out away at Sale. Mehson is largely untried but looks exciting - and keen. 2) Carr to 7. Means moving Willis to 8 which has to happen. For the time being if Barbeary is fit for me he comes off the bench. 3) West for Hislop. Maybe going to happen anyway but  West should start. 4) Maybe most controversially Cardall for Launchbury. But worried by Joe’s form and to be honest his demeanour. I think he maybe carrying a knock and for me Cardall should have come on for him rather than McDonald yesterday. Obviously a fantastic player but I’d let him get 100% and give Cardall a run which he really deserves. Outside of this Robson should start for me.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Problem.
« on: September 17, 2022, 07:36:40 PM »
I think a few have alluded to it but it’s now become reality. How many points are we going to lose through kicking inadequacy this season. For me, although Atkinson looks a good 10, the turning point today was our penalty miss (basic kick) followed by them taking one. We’re clearly not in a position to counter this by scoring endless compensating points and as such I fear that we’ve got another issue (amongst quite a few others) this season.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Recruitment freeze lifted
« on: August 30, 2022, 03:44:53 PM »
Blackett confirming in the CET today that he can make signings again now if he wants to. Nothing confirmed as imminent - just the availability. Good news in itself and also conveys good overall news re finances.

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