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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: June 03, 2023, 04:06:14 PM »
Yes Spink definitely there for two years and agree he has been very classy this season, especially over the last 4 or 5 rounds.
Worried for him getting injured in round 1 with his hamstring again but this has got to be his most injury free run ever.

He?s been really talked up by the commentators I?ve seen, especially Tim Horan and Drew Mitchell who?s trying to get the ?Spink Panther? nickname to stick.
Glad he?s doing well down there and wish him well for the second year - hope he continues to impress and can get the best deal possible the year after

Bet Tom Collins wishes he had signed his offer at Saints now.
There really isn?t a club out there now for any young player to sign for in the hope they could play a full career as a one club man. Best heading off to France now.

Really terrible news but it?s easy to see more falling into trouble next season

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: It?s over?
« on: May 19, 2023, 08:46:48 AM »
Do the rugby creditors include the players ie. Brad mentioning being owed a few 100k in image rights?
I imagine Launchbury and a few others would fall into that catergory as well.
Wages might have been seen as an unavoidable loss at the time but the image rights would be big big money for rugby players and as Brad said , a big contribution to his retirement pot.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: May 13, 2023, 05:11:42 AM »
Kibirige was rumoured to be off to Sarries next year

Rumours of a deal being struct for Sarries to sign Anthony Watson so, if true, can't see them needing Kibirige....

Surely they can fit both into their version of salary cap? SO why not?

Already signed Tom Parton as well, which is a pretty good signing although maybe not quite a direct Malins replacement in terms of class or wage

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: May 12, 2023, 12:32:42 PM »
Quiet this evening from Kibirige as the Force beat the Drua, Spink very good though.
Commentary said that Spink is signed up next year for the force too. They?ve signed Nic White for next year too so could still be worth a watch then.

As mentioned above, Kibirige was rumoured to be off to Sarries next year but a Sarries mate of mine hasn?t heard those rumours.

Cardall on the bench for the Rebels again this weekend

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: May 07, 2023, 01:13:20 PM »
Was doing some googling this morning (mid early morning, early wake up due to hangover!) and was having a think about what Wasps as a new entity could look at in terms of pulling a team together quickly.

I started to review the players currently on the market/leaving prem teams as we speak. Considering that we are most likely going to spend mid/top end of champ and Ealing averaged ?1.3m per year on squad with a top end players earning ?75k.

So I will make an assumption that we will spend somewhere around 850-900K ish? Assuming we have no large sponsor and assuming we have a 30 man squad (plus some loan players) doesn't give a huge wiggle room on who we can sign etc and would mean a 30k average per player.

So looking through who has been released, my assumption is our squad will be built of mainly youngsters and loanees, with a few older heads.

Players i'd be interested in include:
Darren Atkins, Max Green, Tom Doughty, Gabriel Hammer-Webb, Will Spencer, Frankie Read, Jordan Venter (Bath)
Sam Lewis, Henry Purdy, John Hawkins, Sam Jefferies, Peter Carter, Jac Lloyd, Tom Wilstead, Aaron Thompson (Bristol)
Jack Maunder (Exeter)
Rhys Litterick, Conor Oresanya (Quins)
Riley Williams, Horsea Saumaki, Kini Murimurivalu, Chester Owen, George Loose (Leicester)
Charlie Smith, James Blackett, Chidera Obanna, Ewan Greenlaw, Jeremy Civil (Newcastle)
Frankie Sleightholme, Archie Kean, Ethan Grayson, Josh Weru, Joseph Gaffan, Callum Burns (Saints)
Ben Carlisle, Sam Hill, Elliot Gourlay, Kieran Wilkinson (Sale)
Louie Kirkham, Oran Murphy, Oliver Stirling, Isaac Miller, Hugo O'Sullivan, Isaac Curtis-Harris (Irish)

Then i was also considering that 3 out 4 welsh regions have announced up to 50 players leaving already. List attached here:

The likes of Ben Fry or James Ratti would make interesting options.

Realistically we will rely on loan players until finances are resolved, however with the quality of training facilities we have, i'd hope clubs would like the idea of their players coming to play for us. Especially the players who haven't quite broken through yet like Ma'asi White/Opoku-Fordjour (Sale), Alfie Bell (Exeter), Will Glister (Saints) and a few more.

Obviously we won't get all and will have to be select due to finances but at least there's a good start to go off. Hopefully we may get a few from other teams that might be interested too but will be interesting to see how we get on.

A frightening amount of players, who have come through the ranks at their clubs and cannot now be retained due to the requirement for smaller squads or reducing the wage bill.
We have lost two clubs this season but easily another clubs worth of premiership quality players have been released so far.

Makes me wonder whether pursuing a career as a professional rugby player now is such a desirable goal for an 18 year old coming through.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: May 05, 2023, 08:46:03 PM »
JTA released by Ulster

Think it was only a one year deal but very surprised they?re not keeping him with how short they?ll be at TH next year and with Moore injured.
Big Jeff has again been a fan favourite and has played very well recently - lots of minutes since Moore?s injury too.

Hope he?s got a couple of years lined up in France next to top the pension up. Great bloke

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: April 30, 2023, 09:08:16 AM »
Just watched the friendly game between Saints and Leicester on YouTube and saw Will Glister scoring for Saints.
He?ll be back to school on Monday for his A levels

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: April 17, 2023, 12:34:14 PM »
I don't think Zach's form was helped by his stint at full back last season.

Interesting to see Bassett starting at FB for Quins last weekend - something I don?t think we ever tried.
Also Hartley again doing well in the centres for Sarries - I wonder if we would have seen him appear this season for us in the premiership or whether we would have kept him at Ampthill and for cup games again.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: April 16, 2023, 12:03:17 AM »
Yes it was always going to be tough for the Force but Spink has been very solid in his games around a small hamstring injury in the first round.
Kibirige is given a lot more space than in the Prem so looks like he?s enjoying himself. Has always been good at the chip and chase. Was a classy try

Cardall hasn?t got a game yet for the Rebels but has been turning out for their 2nds

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: April 02, 2023, 02:43:03 PM »
Odogwu was pretty solid in that SF Lyon game, Sopoaga had his kicking boots but still a little temperamental elsewhere.

Spink pretty good for the Force against the Canes, Kibirige was another two tries.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: England today
« on: March 19, 2023, 02:28:56 AM »
Must do Smiths confidence the world of good, great man management,reminds me of someone else

Yet again, we?re chasing the game with 17 mins to go, game totally flat and Smith stays on the bench the whole time with Farrell not creating anything even with Mitchell?s quicker tempo.
What a demoraliser for the lad.

Sarries Quins could be interesting next week but really hope it doesn?t revert to an arm wrestle and a box kicking competition

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: March 06, 2023, 10:09:13 PM »
Strange, if wondered where he?d gone. Was getting picked and playing well and then I think picked up a knock but not sure now.

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: March 02, 2023, 11:41:27 AM »
Finally watched Olly Hartley?s mom performance last weekend for Sarries, absolute class!

Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: OT : Farrell past his use by date?
« on: February 26, 2023, 01:30:08 AM »
No one is grabbing the team or the game by the scruff of the neck and saying follow me.
Genge and sinkler do this in parts but not really their job.

I watched the Ulster game earlier and seeing Vermeulen, he?s just a talisman and people follow him. No one is doing that for England and mainly because yet again nothing is coming through 9/10 either feeding the backs or putting Dombrandt et Al through holes.
JVP was ok but Farrell just wasn?t on it yesterday. Mitchell sped things up but should have come on 10 mins earlier.
Arundell, Walker and Smith being give the final play was almost insulting for them.

Whilst Steward was given a lot of plaudits and did nothing wrong all game - just imagine if that was Ben Smith or Israel Dagg a few years ago, WLR or KB in their prime - the amount of ball he was given, cheap metres he was allowed but he doesn?t create enough in attack with breaks or creativity for the electric wingers - this is a problem when your 10 isn?t creating either.

Just saw Farrell?s kicking stats for the tournament are at 44% and if he isn?t kicking either he?s got to go - accompany that with a charge down, a poor cross field kick into touch, pointless kicks through when we were building pressure.

Farrell at 10 and Malins/Watson at 15 or
Smith at 10 and Steward at 15 for me

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