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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: 'We're all sad, we're all angry, including me' - Stephen Vaughan.
« on: October 17, 2022, 07:10:16 PM »
Perhaps someone with financial knowledge can answer this for me.
We are not the only team to be in debt with HMRC, therefore if we are following a payment plan and then they call the whole debt in why is that? Also why not do this to every club in the Premiership as this would seem the fairest course of action?
We are not the only team to be in debt with HMRC, therefore if we are following a payment plan and then they call the whole debt in why is that? Also why not do this to every club in the Premiership as this would seem the fairest course of action?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Mail - Clubs at war over Cap
« on: October 16, 2022, 08:59:21 AM »
If ever there was a time for the RFU to grow a pair and step in this is it. PRL has been the core of this mess, and with 3-4 clubs (and we can guess who) looking to destroy the league in pursuit of short term success it is something that needs stopping immediately.
There is no point talking of a 10 team division when 3-4 are happy to see the rest crumble.
Toxic
There is no point talking of a 10 team division when 3-4 are happy to see the rest crumble.
Toxic
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: What can we do help the cause?
« on: October 16, 2022, 08:54:55 AM »
My thoughts are something more organised. Not a protest as such, but more a coming together of supporters to take something forward a la Wimbledon’s fans did in the creation of AFC Wimbledon. The complicating factor is that we already have the amateur arm of the club so is this need already filled and what could we do to help them climb the leagues should we go to the wall?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: TRP
« on: October 16, 2022, 08:03:51 AM »
A merger with Irish has surprised me. If it happens we could take half of their name….No harm in being called London Wasps! 
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Moving to anger.
« on: October 15, 2022, 05:06:13 PM »The RFU can't step in they don't have the funds OR the bloody knowledge.
Then if they cannot and the PRL continues the game is dead, the only question is when we pronounce a date and time.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Moving to anger.
« on: October 15, 2022, 05:00:39 PM »
I am not sure we can be in any place to judge the actions of the league. Were we jumping up and down when Orrell, Blackheath, Richmond et al fell during the advent of professionalism? Were we jumping up and down to help London Welsh when the fell away or was the consensus they simply overstretched themselves financially and did nothing? Did we proactively start shouting recently to protect Worcester and their future + P shares?
We are where we are due to our own mistakes, the league is where it is due to the whole mismanage thing of all the clubs working for themselves and the PRL to isolate itself from the rest of rugby union from the Championship downwards.
Our whole system is rotten. I am coming to the conclusion that the RFU now has to step in, take away any decision making on how the league is run not only from the clubs but also the PRL who are not fit for purpose. For the game at all levels to survive the PRL has to die and the top division recombined with the whole league structure and under the control of the RFU.
We are where we are due to our own mistakes, the league is where it is due to the whole mismanage thing of all the clubs working for themselves and the PRL to isolate itself from the rest of rugby union from the Championship downwards.
Our whole system is rotten. I am coming to the conclusion that the RFU now has to step in, take away any decision making on how the league is run not only from the clubs but also the PRL who are not fit for purpose. For the game at all levels to survive the PRL has to die and the top division recombined with the whole league structure and under the control of the RFU.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: What can we do help the cause?
« on: October 15, 2022, 03:03:35 PM »
I do not expect any other club in the league to do anything, it is not the nature of the league. There was no mass move to stop multiple teams disappear from the top table when professionalism began, there was no move to help London Welsh. The silence was deafening when Worcester went and so will us.The clubs focus only on themselves, and unless the league is threatened there will be no mass movement, and only then will it be a movement to protect those left standing.
This is why the RFU needs to step in now for the good of the game. The PRL needs to end for the game to survive.
This is why the RFU needs to step in now for the good of the game. The PRL needs to end for the game to survive.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Mirror - pinch of salt - Cheetahs hit with 700 k loss
« on: October 14, 2022, 10:54:28 AM »
Financial transparency won’t sit well with Saracens given their willingness to take relegation over opening their books. Lots of skeletons in that closet I would imagine.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Guardian - 10 Team League
« on: October 14, 2022, 09:35:40 AM »
Two 10 team professional leagues are impossible when one premiership of 13 teams could not be sustained. The only way would be to reduce wages markedly from where they are now. Not sure teams like Sarries -who undertook financial doping to achieve their successes- will agree to this.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Mail - Shaun Shocked
« on: October 14, 2022, 08:11:25 AM »
Shaun Edwards optimises everything that is good and core to not just us as Wasps, but also Rugby Union. If we are to make it out of this it is that spirit which will get us through.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps facing relegation
« on: October 12, 2022, 02:45:56 PM »
Struggling to put a cogent thought together at the moment. This is very much like a bereavement.
Now ourselves and Worcester have fallen, my suspicion is that others may well follow, and then where does that leave the league?
A dark day.
Now ourselves and Worcester have fallen, my suspicion is that others may well follow, and then where does that leave the league?
A dark day.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps facing relegation
« on: October 12, 2022, 08:46:50 AM »
I have said all along that ourselves and Worcester are a more visible problem that affects the whole league. If we go under then that’s 4 match SH revenue lost with most teams already in the red. Who next starts to struggle and is next in line for the chopping block? Gloucester, Falcons, Irish? Thanks to the overall lack of support from PRL and the RFU and the general size of the game in England the game below the Premiership is a chasm of difference in terms of quality. Ealing may make it, although like Bath, Saracens it would only be due to an owner bank account, and any loss of that would lead to a London Welsh scenario. Pirates, Jersey are well supported at that level but are unlikely to make the step up.
The Premiership is a mess, but anyone thinking it will stop at us if we fold would be fooling themselves.
The Premiership is a mess, but anyone thinking it will stop at us if we fold would be fooling themselves.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps facing relegation
« on: October 09, 2022, 06:20:41 PM »
I hope we survive, but we cannot have our cake and eat it. We may have a huge history but we are no bigger than Worcester or any other club, and if we enter administration I would expect that we are treated as Worcester were.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps v Northampton Saints: Post match thoughts.
« on: October 09, 2022, 05:54:26 PM »
I was sat close to Jacobs incident and he made an absolute balls up of it, caught to far infield, panicked, looked at the saints winger then ran underneath/little jump with no chance to catch the ball, the noise his head made
Connecting with the wingers hip was pretty grim. But a red card and self inflicted injury was avoidable. Again TCUP comes straight to mind.
Connecting with the wingers hip was pretty grim. But a red card and self inflicted injury was avoidable. Again TCUP comes straight to mind.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps v Northampton Saints: Post match thoughts.
« on: October 09, 2022, 05:43:44 PM »
I don’t think it has anything to do with that Nelly, if this was a one off result, possibly, but as this is a recurring theme over more than one season this is a bigger, coaching issue. We may be gone in 2-3 weeks time, but if not then Lee has a hell of a job on his hands, if it’s not fixed soon though and our future and funding is secure then it may stop being his concern.