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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Holland working hard for WW
« Last post by baldpaul101 on April 25, 2024, 12:26:19 PM »
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Holland working hard for WW
« Last post by Neils on April 25, 2024, 12:11:02 PM »
On the WW board links to BBC commentary.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« Last post by baldpaul101 on April 25, 2024, 10:11:16 AM »
The only Champ club I have been to is Nottingham. Good position, easy to get to but basic facilities (single small stand) but they are trying hard. Large semi permanent marquee for food & drink for example. Their biggest problem is the Trent floods the pitch on a reasonably regular basis!
Very nice people though & well organised.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« Last post by asteriskszegol on April 25, 2024, 09:32:52 AM »
Yes, and don't forget that Coventry were the predominant team in England in the 70s, so have a legacy of support from then - and Bedford weren't so far behind them, at that stage and in the pre-Premiership years, so have retained their base support as well. For Coventry, read Leicester as a rough equivalent; for Bedford, read Gloucester. Either club would survive in the Premiership - if they ever could get there - at least as well as Newcastle, say, in terms of a fan income base.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« Last post by Robson9 on April 24, 2024, 06:18:27 PM »
Think a lot comes down to local interest/competitors (in both rugby and other sports) and facilities. My 2 pennies worth based on travelling to most of the grounds over the last few years, so just my opinions!

Coventry - have gone from strength to strength since their promotion, and imo have a great chance of competing with Ealing for the title next year. Great facilities, really easy access to the station etc. And how many casual Coventry based Wasps fans have drifted their way in the last 2 years?

Bedford - consistently finishing top half and normally in the top 2-3 over many years - play great rugby. No local Bedford football club outside of the football leagues so nothing to really compete with.

Doncaster - generally top half finisher,  amazing facilities (the only club to apply and pass the RFU audit every single year. Sadly they dont get near promotion as their facilities are top notch).

To compare to some of the strugglers:

 Ealing - competing with the over saturated London sports market, Sarries etc. Regularly finish top but no hint of promotion, smash most of their opposition in lop sided uncompetitive games - wheres the fun in that?

Hartpury - glorified University team and Gloucesters feeder club. A real real ballache to get to on public transport.

Ampthill - lovely local club but not yet established FT in the championship. Ground is effectively the side of a hill in the middle of the woods with a clubhouse.

Caldy - pretty much the same as Ampthill in terms of being established and facilities.

London Scottish - Have struggled massively over the past few years, crowds dropped as the results went. Competing for fans with Richmond, Harlequins etc, as well as the same London sports market. Share the RAG, which is falling apart.



Its an odd league with some big skills gaps between the top and bottom (most of the clubs with big attendances are fully pro), vs the semi pro/amateur clubs in the bottom half, as well as big big differences in terms of stadiums/facilities/match day experience etc.



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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« Last post by baldpaul101 on April 24, 2024, 03:44:24 PM »
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Average Attendances:
Coventry 3440
Bedford 3063
Doncaster 1884
C. Pirates 1611
Cambridge 1411
Caldy 1182
Nottingham 1158
Ampthill 1069
Ealing 1008
Hartpury 994
L. Scottish 608

Thanks for posting. very interesting. Anyone have any idea why Coventry & Bedford get such high gates compared with the rest?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« Last post by coddy on April 24, 2024, 01:23:24 PM »


I would sign up for that, and get to any games local to me (ish). As long as they have motorbike parking (you too Coddy)?


Definitely mate, luckily a motorbike can be parked practically anywhere.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« Last post by coddy on April 24, 2024, 01:21:00 PM »
I hope you are right Coddy, I really do. I also hadn't quite appreciated how low the attendance for Champ games is.


If you're referring to ealing they're a bit of a weird outlier as they're effectively a club elevated far beyond their support levels and infrastructure by virtue of having a sugar daddy owner bankrolling a squad they'd never be able to afford otherwise.

Average attendances for the season to date below - there's quite a varied number- but I think most are quite self explanatory for why they're high/low compared to the others!

Average Attendances:
Coventry 3440
Bedford 3063
Doncaster 1884
C. Pirates 1611
Cambridge 1411
Caldy 1182
Nottingham 1158
Ampthill 1069
Ealing 1008
Hartpury 994
L. Scottish 608

What's the source on that, Robson9? I'd be interested to see how Cov & Bedford stack up against Prem attendances for season to date.

Interesting numbers.



Yes those are legitimate numbers as taken from Wikipedia. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_RFU_Championship

I apologise for underestimating Ealings support, they seem to either get well over 1100 or less than 800 suggesting a number of their supporters are probably bored watching them give the weaker teams a dicking.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« Last post by Robson9 on April 24, 2024, 12:23:35 PM »
I hope you are right Coddy, I really do. I also hadn't quite appreciated how low the attendance for Champ games is.


If you're referring to ealing they're a bit of a weird outlier as they're effectively a club elevated far beyond their support levels and infrastructure by virtue of having a sugar daddy owner bankrolling a squad they'd never be able to afford otherwise.

Average attendances for the season to date below - there's quite a varied number- but I think most are quite self explanatory for why they're high/low compared to the others!

Average Attendances:
Coventry 3440
Bedford 3063
Doncaster 1884
C. Pirates 1611
Cambridge 1411
Caldy 1182
Nottingham 1158
Ampthill 1069
Ealing 1008
Hartpury 994
L. Scottish 608

What's the source on that, Robson9? I'd be interested to see how Cov & Bedford stack up against Prem attendances for season to date.

Interesting numbers.

There's a poster on sportnetwork who does a championship round up piece every week and manually works out the averages as part of that - so I hope his math is good otherwise I'll.look pretty stupid!

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« Last post by BlackAndGoldSunglasses on April 24, 2024, 12:03:54 PM »
I hope you are right Coddy, I really do. I also hadn't quite appreciated how low the attendance for Champ games is.


If you're referring to ealing they're a bit of a weird outlier as they're effectively a club elevated far beyond their support levels and infrastructure by virtue of having a sugar daddy owner bankrolling a squad they'd never be able to afford otherwise.

Average attendances for the season to date below - there's quite a varied number- but I think most are quite self explanatory for why they're high/low compared to the others!

Average Attendances:
Coventry 3440
Bedford 3063
Doncaster 1884
C. Pirates 1611
Cambridge 1411
Caldy 1182
Nottingham 1158
Ampthill 1069
Ealing 1008
Hartpury 994
L. Scottish 608

What's the source on that, Robson9? I'd be interested to see how Cov & Bedford stack up against Prem attendances for season to date.

Interesting numbers.
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