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Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« on: January 30, 2021, 04:04:35 PM »
This has been archived, so it is not behind the paywall.

Nightclubs and inner turmoil — where it all went wrong for Danny Cipriani.

https://archive.is/AYcHz

Sad reading.

I really do wish him well.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2021, 04:06:16 PM by Rossm »
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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2021, 04:38:20 PM »
Thanks for that.

Interesting long read.

Apart from Shaun no Wasps input - strange.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2021, 08:02:04 PM by Neils »
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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2021, 05:35:21 PM »
Overall theme seems to be you need to manage Danny a lot, compared to other players. In an international environment, when you have even less time with players, it's just not sensible.

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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2021, 07:40:25 PM »
Thanks for that.

Interesting long read.

Apart from Shannon no Wasps input - strange.
Assume predictive text got in there . But if he was happy to make him a godfather must have seen something as a person that he liked.

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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2021, 08:02:22 PM »
Thanks for that.

Interesting long read.

Apart from Shannon no Wasps input - strange.
Assume predictive text got in there . But if he was happy to make him a godfather must have seen something as a person that he liked.

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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2021, 09:24:09 PM »
Be interesting to see who is willing to take a chance on him next. If I was a coach I must admit at this point I wouldn't consider it. Too risky. I watch 10's like Smith, Umaga, Atkinson, Simmonds, Ford and Biggar and Danny's less consistent and less reliable.

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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2021, 09:53:56 PM »
I wonder if he moves into coaching, who would have him? I don't think I'd want him as a senior coach, at least not immediately. Get the sense he could be a very effective one on one skills coach, but I mean more as a private consultation, rather than part of a coaching team. Maybe academy focus, where gameplan etc is less important than development.

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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2021, 10:24:32 PM »
I wonder if he moves into coaching, who would have him? I don't think I'd want him as a senior coach, at least not immediately. Get the sense he could be a very effective one on one skills coach, but I mean more as a private consultation, rather than part of a coaching team. Maybe academy focus, where gameplan etc is less important than development.

Academy focus ? Yeah he could be the cool teacher to draw in all the wannabes for their fifteen minutes of fame! Actually tbf I could see him in a ambassadorial type role for inner city/disadvantaged kids promoting rugby.

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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2021, 10:34:20 PM »
I wonder if he moves into coaching, who would have him? I don't think I'd want him as a senior coach, at least not immediately. Get the sense he could be a very effective one on one skills coach, but I mean more as a private consultation, rather than part of a coaching team. Maybe academy focus, where gameplan etc is less important than development.

Academy focus ? Yeah he could be the cool teacher to draw in all the wannabes for their fifteen minutes of fame! Actually tbf I could see him in a ambassadorial type role for inner city/disadvantaged kids promoting rugby.

I'm thinking more he pushed himself to develop so many parts of his game, from Margot Wells to the vision coach, whatever problems he's obviously had, he is a fantastic player, and he gained a lot of knowledge to get there. In an academy role there'd be almost no pressure on results, plenty of opportunity to encourage attack and skills, and he has the knowledge of those skills. Of course, whether or not he'd have any ability to impart that knowledge to others is something else.

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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2021, 02:39:47 AM »
Without talking about Danny, I think when comparing the views of Lancaster, Johnson and Jones vs that of our own Edwards, I will believe Shaun's view every time. Only one of those was a successful club coach, and that was Shaun. Johnson had no coaching career, and Lancaster was by and large a failure as club coach. 8 years of England with effectively near scrub level coaches who were, as described in the article, archetypal risk averse anglo saxon coaches. I wonder how many players lost out becuase of their conservatism? 
Whether Danny had what it takes to be a successful international player is up for debate and another story, but when it comes to handling people, I don't buy the "three successive Englad coach" argument, because two of them simply had no right to be in the job, and the other would not be in the job if it were not for Danny saving it in SA, and has shown himself to be a man who selects according to his personal esoteric "positions are not important" philosophy and  to raise fingers at the media as much as anything. Two of those coaches selected Mike Brown as a winger.  If those three successive coaches were Ashton, Woodward and Edwards would it have been different? I don't know, I suspect Danny would not have had that many more caps if only for his kicking being unreliable,  but at least we would have found out than be left wondering.
I would not be surprised to see Danny make a decent coach very soon, as a player he might not have many options.
 
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Re: Very Long Article in The Times on Cips.
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2021, 07:47:35 AM »
Actually tbf I could see him in a ambassadorial type role for inner city/disadvantaged kids promoting rugby.

What a great idea.