Hope?

[Rossm]

Clutching at straws here. Anyone have any clue as to how long the RFU take to complete their deliberations?

Until the bar runs out of gin?

[Shugs]

Totally agree Neils. Two years there - negotiate as lower rent as possible and incur minimal if any capital outlay. Rebuild the team. Try and get promoted. Then look about.

These things seems contradictory.

Capital as in infrastructure, repairs, stadia purchases. Wages etc are normal revenue costs - can’t get away without incurring those obviously!

[Peej]

Totally agree Neils. Two years there - negotiate as lower rent as possible and incur minimal if any capital outlay. Rebuild the team. Try and get promoted. Then look about.

These things seems contradictory.

Explain

At a guess, in order to get promotion, we are going to spend some cash. In order to put a squad together, we will need to have a fair outlay.
I would hazard a guess at us needing to assemble a young core, but also there will be a need for some signings that would not be out of place in the prem.
Problem will be what happens if the 10 or 11 remaining clubs ring-fence.
I honestly cannot see a long term future for Wasps  unless they can see a route to the top table.

Yes, pretty much this. We are a failed brand, and if we want a squad capable of getting back to the Premiership we are going to need to pay over the odds to get players who are rightly going to be worried about the security of their wages.

Does the MSC not require primacy of tenure anymore for newly promoted clubs? 

[NellyWellyWaspy]

The RFU rules for allowing a Pheoenix club back in to play either in the Premiership or Championship are that they play in their current stadium for the first season and 'beyond', meaning at least two seasons.

Thus, unless we want to drop lower than that, the CBS Arena it is.

[WonkyWasp]

Genuine query Nelly  -  do Them Above not make any exceptions in extenuating circumstances?  Anyone, not just Wasps?

[NellyWellyWaspy]

Genuine query Nelly  -  do Them Above not make any exceptions in extenuating circumstances?  Anyone, not just Wasps?

Rules is rules. Not everyone can be James T Kirk and ignore them when it suits.

However, from a philosophical POV, all rules/laws results in unintended consequences.

I read yesterday of a guy in prison in the USA, been there for years, is actually innocent of the crime for which he was imprisoned, and the District Attorney agrees that is so, because in America you can only appeal a fixed number of times, and he ran out of appeals he could lodge before the Supreme Court made a ruling that made him innocent. Without an appeal, he cannot be released, and the Supreme Court seems unwilling to allow him to be released. Why? The rules on the number of appeals was introduced to stop bored criminals constantly lodging appeals and blocking up the courts. Rules lead to unintended consequences.

[WonkyWasp]

That is madness.  Also in USA  one chap had been kept in for almost 40 years for a murder he didn't do.  Eventually proved innocent by DNA. 

[Bloke in North Dorset]

The Supreme Court is there to adjudicate on matters constitutional. The appeal limit isn’t anything to do with the constitution and so can’t hear the case.  It’s up to Congress who passed the law to rescind/amend it.

Unless someone can make a very good argument that the appeals limit is unconstitutional there’s nothing SCOTUS can do, even if it wanted to

[bigad82]

https://www.wasps-store.co.uk/all-legends/legends/
Have they used Hummel before?

[Neils]

https://www.wasps-store.co.uk/all-legends/legends/
Have they used Hummel before?

Love that their Wasp goes the "right" way.

[andermt]

Massive tangent, but with Wasps legends taking over do we think we'll see a return to the old badge, as in the legends badge?

[RogerE]

So much for the guff about Wasps now marching forward when they changed the logo.

Wonder how much of the tight budget that rebranding cost?

[Peej]

Less than the near 100 million quid debt

[coddy]

Surprised the Wasps Legends clothing range is in the shops before the RFU have given the green light.

Perhaps the Legends know something we don't?

It all sounds promising though.

[Neils]

Surprised the Wasps Legends clothing range is in the shops before the RFU have given the green light.

Perhaps the Legends know something we don't?

It all sounds promising though.

It has always been there. The shop is still trading