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Tackle height laws
« on: January 26, 2023, 11:27:32 PM »
Tackle height laws proposed for championship down now extended to elite rugby. My personal opinion - it?s a disastrous decision that could mean the game we follow becomes pretty much farcical. Lots of opinion out there. What do we think.

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2023, 06:50:28 AM »

Tackle height set to be lowered across elite rugby

Exclusive: World Rugby CEO tells Telegraph Sport about controversial new laws, plus analysis of how they could change the game forever
By Ben Rumsby and Charlie Morgan, Senior Rugby Writer 26 January 2023 ? 9:00pm


The legal tackle height is set to be lowered across all elite rugby globally, despite a growing revolt against plans to roll out the most seismic changes to the way the game is played since it turned professional.

The chief executive of World Rugby, Alan Gilpin, confirmed on Thursday it planned to follow the Rugby Football Union?s lead in rewriting its own rules on an issue that has left the sport bitterly divided.

But, in an exclusive interview with Telegraph Sport, he also said the ?likelihood? was that the legal tackle height in the international and professional club game, which currently lies at shoulder level, would not be lowered as far as the waist.

The RFU?s decision to ban tackling above the waistline in the community game in England provoked outrage but Gilpin gave it a ringing endorsement and said other countries were set to follow suit.

He also confirmed World Rugby was planning to stage a global law trial from Jan 1, initially at amateur level, with a decision yet to be made over whether that would involve a prohibition on tackles above the waist or the sternum.

Unlike the RFU law change, which takes effect from next season, any change to the legal tackle height at the top end of the sport would not be any earlier than the 2024-25 season and may not even be in place until after the 2027 World Cup.

Gilpin said: ?Yes, we?re looking to make sure that we are implementing a lower tackle height across all parts of the game. How that?s actually implemented is slightly different in the community game to the elite game.?

He added: ?You?re in a slightly different environment, for a number of reasons, in the elite part of the game, particularly at an international level, because the level of ? for example ? medical provision, diagnostic ability etc, is very different.

?We obviously have TMO [Television Match Officials], HIA [Head Injury Assessment], the ability for immediate pitch-side care in all of elite-level rugby that you don?t have in the community game. We?ve got to recognise that they?re not the same sport.?

The RFU has stood firm over its ban on tackles above the waist, which its council refused to consult the wider game on before voting for.

So fierce has been the backlash from those affected that Bill Sweeney, the governing body?s chief executive, and its board are in danger of facing a vote of no confidence.

But Gilpin defended the ban, which was announced amid the latest wave of legal action against World Rugby and the RFU by former players with dementia or other brain disorders.

He said: ?The RFU obviously is in the process of implementing some changes around tackle height that we support. Because we know, from all of the research and science and medicine, that lowering the tackle height is a really important part of making the game safer.

?There?s a lot of work to do to educate people. But we?ve got to, as a sport, try to find that really difficult but hugely-important balance between safety but making the game entertaining to watch.

?It?s not binary. It?s not one or the other. It?s how do we make the game safer and a better spectacle to watch and a better game to play?

?It?s tough because it?s a really, really complex message to deliver. On one level, it?s very simple. We know from all the research that?s been done and is incredibly comprehensive, you?re four-and-a-half times more likely to sustain a head injury when you tackle from an upright position than when the tackler is bent at the waist.

?We need to get players tackling lower at every part of the game. Obviously, there?s an elite part of the game where we?re doing a huge amount of work and we?ve used sanctions, and red cards in particular, trying to drive changes in behaviour.

?When you look at the community game, it?s challenging to roll that out on a global basis.

?It requires significant buy-in from the game in different parts of the world.

?You?ll always have the traditionalists, I guess, who understandably say, ?Stop tweaking things and don?t change too much, because we?re really concerned about losing the inherent fabric of the sport? ? and we all absolutely get that.

?At the same time, we?ve got to make sure that we are attracting people to the sport that is safe to play ? or is as safe to play as a sport that?s a contact one can be.


?There?s always work to do in implementing change and how you can consult around change and how you communicate and educate around change. But the key message is let?s get the tackle height lower at every level of the game because that will reduce ? absolutely reduce ? the number of head injuries that we see in rugby. And that?s really important if, again, we?re going to win the battle for the hearts and minds of not just the young people we want to play the game, boys and girls, but the mums and dads who may be concerned about injuries in rugby.

?So, we?ve got a responsibility from a World Rugby perspective, to work hard with our member federations around the world.

?That communication challenge is tougher in places where rugby?s got a long heritage and history and is played in significant numbers, and that?s what the RFU is experiencing in this last week or so.?

Gilpin?s declaration comes as momentum is building towards a vote of no confidence in RFU chief executive Sweeney, with close to 250 clubs now in support of a special general meeting (SGM) in the wake of the governing body?s move to implement new tackle laws.

Community Clubs Union (CCU), an independent organisation launched in response to last week?s announcement, has spearheaded the campaign. They are hoping in the coming days to reach final sign-off on a letter requesting the SGM, which requires the support of at least 100 members of the union, and are coordinating the process of collecting letters from each dissenting club which must be signed by a chairperson and a secretary.

Analysis: Rugby's brave new world could cause unintended consequences

By Charlie Morgan, Senior Rugby Writer

The chief aim of World Rugby?s inevitable move to lower the legal tackle height in the elite game to below the sternum is to reduce the number of upright tackles and the frequency of head-on-head collisions between players.

Data shows that these events are most likely to cause concussions and global authorities evidently feel, with two legal actions taken out against governing bodies including the Rugby Football Union and World Rugby, as though the intervention is necessary because there is an acknowledgment that stricter sanctions are not having the desired outcome of decreasing the number of brain injuries.

If we accept that, then there is an obvious follow-up question: What will be the ripple effects of such a drastic change on the sport as a spectacle? As ever, both intended and unintended consequences have to be considered.

First, the obvious aspects. Rangy-limbed offloaders are certain to become more valuable. While he made a significant impact on the sport as a back-to-back World Cup-winner, ex-All Blacks centre Sonny Bill Williams will curse that he retired too early. Imagine how much havoc could be caused by an in-form Leone Nakarawa, the supremely dextrous Fiji lock, if defenders are not permitted above his sternum.


Upright wrap-tackles, often featuring multiple defenders and widely known as ?choke tackles?, grew in popularity as a means of suffocating attacks and stopping opponents from releasing passes out of contact. It may still be possible to slow down opposition phase-play, and perhaps force a turnover by creating a maul, but surely much more difficult. Pick-and-go sequences, regarded by many as a blight on the game, could grow in influence. How does one stop them without standing tall?

With that in mind, then, how else will defences contest possession in open play? One has to think that the breakdown will increase in significance as a battleground ? as if it were not ferocious and pivotal enough. Defenders arriving second to the contact area will often hold up a carrier under current laws. Will they now wait for the ball to hit the floor and flood into the ruck even more fiercely in hunched-over jackal positions? The worry is that the breakdown is already a mine-field for injuries and governed by idiosyncratic refereeing interpretations. This is unlikely to alter either of those things. Quite the opposite.

On both sides of the ball, the skill of support-running will be placed under greater scrutiny because, as well as offloads, there should be more onus on ruck-speed ? with attackers aiming to blow past the ball and defenders bidding to scrap and spoil.

?We know the issues the breakdown is causing and a lot of people think that is worse than the tackle,? says Nick Easter, the former England back-row, who is now coaching at Chinnor after spells with Harlequins, Newcastle Falcons and Worcester Warriors. He is also wary of an avalanche of penalties bringing about more stoppages with ?whistle-happy? officials exacerbating what is ?already a difficult sport for the layman to understand?.

The changing face of the sport is, of course, little concern right now to Twickenham, at least not in the immediate future. RFU figureheads could well face a vote of no confidence due to their handling of the impending waist-height tackle trial. Besides the anger at the governing body?s aloof and vague communication, compounding the lack of consultation with community clubs and players, a major frustration sweeping across English rugby union is that the notion of ?tackle-choice? ? essentially how a player picks from an arsenal of defensive tools depending on the match scenario ? would seem to be nullified. Currently, there is an art in choosing which sort of tackle to use in any given situation.

The RFU have stressed that finer details are yet to be determined and World Rugby?s plans for the elite game are clearly at a far earlier stage. Interestingly, a trial at grassroots and junior levels in New Zealand, which is to be rolled out across the country more widely in 2023, required the first tackler to target below the sternum, around the belly. A second tackler could then come in as high as the shoulder line. It would seem as though this has addressed safety concerns and retained an element of ?tackle-choice?.

Pace, passing and ball-in-play time were the intended outcomes of the 50:22 kicking law and implementation of a goal-line drop-out instead of a five-metre scrum. The sternum-height tackle will no doubt be pitched as a means to deliver these things as well. Rugby union should always reward powerful runners, muscular scrummagers and athletic jumpers, but it will be interesting to monitor any gradual changes in body composition among elite teams and across positions.

Passionate about retaining ?the fabric of the game? as a pursuit for ?all shapes and sizes where there is a contest for possession?, Easter would prioritise tackle technique and cap replacements in order to incite fatigue. The first is a necessity. In time, the second may also become part of this brave new world.
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Re: Tackle height laws
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2023, 06:51:49 AM »
Summary Imbedded in articl;e -



1. Current tackle height law

?Dangerous tackling includes, but is not limited to, tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders.?

 

2. New proposed professional law

World Rugby plans to lower the legal tackle height below the shoulders, with the sternum the most probable new cut-off point.

 

3. New proposed amateur law

The Rugby Football Union has banned tackles above the waist in the community game in England from next season. World Rugby plans global trials of a new legal tackle height limit at the same level from Jan 1.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2023, 06:58:06 AM »
THe Mail view -

The legal tackle height in professional rugby is set to be lowered in order to reduce concussions and head injuries, say World Rugby... despite widespread criticism of the RFU's decision to do this in the community game

    The RFU has banned tackling above the waistline in grassroots English rugby
    This was done to reduce concussions and head injuries but was widely criticised
    World Rugby said they plan to reduce the legal tackle height in the pro-game

By Alex Bywater For Mailonline

Published: 06:38, 27 January 2023 | Updated: 06:38, 27 January 2023


The height at which players can legally tackle is set to be lowered at rugby's professional level, despite the RFU's decision to do just that in the community game being met with widespread criticism.

English rugby's grassroots clubs have been in uproar after their governing body banned tackling above the waistline in a bid to reduce the number of concussions and head injuries.

That ruling does not, as yet, affect elite players either in England or around the world, but World Rugby chief executive Alan Gilpin has confirmed the game's global governing body will also bring in radical changes.
The height at which players can legally tackle is set to be lowered at rugby's professional level

The height at which players can legally tackle is set to be lowered at rugby's professional level

In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Gilpin said: 'We're looking to make sure we are implementing a lower tackle height across all parts of the game.

'How that's actually implemented is slightly different in the community game to the elite game.' Gilpin hinted the tackle height limit in the professional game would not be lowered to the waist. The current limit is shoulder height with a middle ground between the two likely to be found.

Gilpin's admission is a huge one as the lowering of the tackle height would profoundly change professional rugby in England and across the world, but would not be brought in for some time.
World Rugby CEO Alan Gilpin confirmed they will bring in radical changes on tackle height


The decision to reduce the tackle height is being taken to reduce concussion and head injuries

The earliest the changes could be made a reality is the 2024-25 season.

World Rugby and its individual unions have held several trials in order to see how best to reduce concussion and have acted accordingly.

But the RFU decision, which will officially come into the English community game for next season, has been unpopular. Many clubs have called for a vote of no confidence in RFU chief executive Bill Sweeney as a result.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2023, 07:00:18 AM »
Australian Rugby set to be FORCED into waist-high tackle restrictions in a move players believe will cause more injuries than they prevent: 'there will be broken bones'

    The RFU in England plans to outlaw all tackles above the waist in amateur footy
    Rugby Australia initially said it would not follow the RFU's lead with the new rule
    Now World Rugby is set to trial the rule and all countries have to take part

By Josh Alston For Daily Mail Australia

Published: 02:57, 27 January 2023 | Updated: 02:57, 27 January 2023


Park footy players and juniors will not be allowed to tackle above the waist after World Rugby confirmed it could trial a change in the legal height at community level in all countries around the world.

The Rugby Football Union [RFU] recently announced the change would be rolled out for amateur players of all ages from July 1.

While Rugby Australia has previously said it has no intentions of applying the same legalities to the game down under, the global governing body appears set to force Aussie players to adhere to the new restrictions.
A lazy arm or a tackle that slips off the ball and results in contact with the shoulders or higher, like this one by Danny Care of England on Wallaby Jordan Petaia could result in red cards

A lazy arm or a tackle that slips off the ball and results in contact with the shoulders or higher, like this one by Danny Care of England on Wallaby Jordan Petaia could result in red cards

World Rugby chief executive Alan Gilpin told the Sydney Morning Herald that World Rugby would follow the lead of the RFU with a trial of no tackling above the waist at amateur level in a global law trial from January 1, 2024.

Under the proposal, there would be a certain amount of leeway applied with warnings to be issued, however shots around the torso would attract yellow cards and high shots would illicit and automatic red card.


 'Yes, we're looking to make sure that we are implementing a lower tackle height across all parts of the game,' Gilpin said.

'How that's actually implemented is slightly different in the community game to the elite game.'

While the decision will apply to all levels of amateur rugby, professional grades including international Tests will not be impacted.
Arms around the waist tackles will become common, like this attempted tackle by former Wallaby Nathan Sharpe on Sonny Bill Williams

Arms around the waist tackles will become common, like this attempted tackle by former Wallaby Nathan Sharpe on Sonny Bill Williams

Gilpin said the lack of medical professionals available at amateur level necessitated the move.

'You're in a slightly different environment, for a number of reasons, in the elite part of the game, particularly at an international level, because the level of ? for example ? medical provision, diagnostic ability etc, is very different,' he said.

'We obviously have television match officials, head injury assessment, the ability for immediate pitch-side care in all elite-level rugby that you don't have in the community game.

'We've got to recognise that they're not the same sport.'
Textbook tackles like this will become questionable at amateur and junior level and could result in a yellow card

Textbook tackles like this will become questionable at amateur and junior level and could result in a yellow card

Rugby fans are not impressed by the move to wrap cotton wool around players and argued that increased numbers of tackles around the legs would result in further injuries.

'Any rugby player can get themselves into a dangerous position at any height they tackle an opponent,' one fan argues.


'I predict referees giving penalties randomly to alter the momentum of international Rugby and to give favoured nations a leg up. This rule change could see more broken bones.'

Another argues that: 'It's not to prevent injuries. There will still be injuries, and maybe MORE knee injuries than ever.'
Mitchell has questioned how the new tackling rules will work and called the RFU's move as 'dramatic' before World Rugby expanded the tackling limits to the entire world

Mitchell has questioned how the new tackling rules will work and called the RFU's move as 'dramatic' before World Rugby expanded the tackling limits to the entire world

Previously, Wallabies winger Drew Mitchell had voice his objections to the rule change making its way to Australia.

'I think it's a little bit dramatic. A few years ago the nipple height was introduced and quickly thrown out. I get what they're trying to do ? but I think this one is wide of the mark and going too far,' he said.

'There's got to be flow-on effects, too. If you can't tackle anyone above the waist and every single attacking player has hands free during every single run ? whilst trying to eliminate one thing, we open up something else.'
Sexton loves to tackle and be tackled and does not agree with the new limitations, saying more players will be hurt being hit in the head by errant knees

Sexton loves to tackle and be tackled and does not agree with the new limitations, saying more players will be hurt being hit in the head by errant knees

 Ireland skipper Johnny Sexton has also argued against the rule change, saying increased leg tackles would actually raise the occurrence of concussions.

'You can get a knee in the head. You can get a hip in the head. Most concussions they come from those,' he said.

'There was a study done a few years ago and there were a lot of red cards given for high tackles and 100 per cent we need to get them out the game but none of them resulted in concussions, whereas a lot of them came from knees to the head and hips to the head.

'I am not sure who puts these rules in place but I don't agree with them, especially for a taller man like myself who likes to tackle hard.'
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Re: Tackle height laws
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2023, 07:45:16 AM »
Legal liability vs sport

The hard helmet brigade win.

Fazlet at least will have a real problem with this.

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2023, 03:32:42 PM »
So it looks like the end of holding up in the tackle and mauls because there'll always be the opportunity to off load and how on earth to you stop a pick and go on the 5m 5m without being able to attack the ball as a defender? Defenders are going to have to go so low that the attacker will just be able to reach over them.

There's bound to be a load of 2nd and higher order effects we can't even think of.

One thing did just occur: We may well see a return to the high knee stepping wingers because it could help break tackles, and jaws.

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2023, 04:31:37 PM »
In other news, OF has announced his retirement to go back to Rugby League.




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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2023, 07:55:59 AM »
Legal liability vs sport

The hard helmet brigade win.

Fazlet at least will have a real problem with this.

Fazlet will have an exemption

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2023, 07:00:12 PM »
Legal liability vs sport

The hard helmet brigade win.

Fazlet at least will have a real problem with this.

Fazlet will have an exemption

Yep, doesn't matter what the rules say if they don't apply to him.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2023, 10:34:58 PM »


Yep, doesn't matter what the rules say if they don't apply to him.

Refs and ARs and TV person need to be told in no uncertain terms what is/and is not allowed under the laws. If they fail, then they should be disciplined.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2023, 12:52:05 PM »
Tackle height laws proposed for championship down now extended to elite rugby. My personal opinion - it?s a disastrous decision that could mean the game we follow becomes pretty much farcical. Lots of opinion out there. What do we think.


I'm not sure that lowering tackle height as suggested, actually answers the question that probably needs posing first. Whilst tackle impacts to the head are to be discouraged, perhaps I'd really like to know if there is a correlation between tackle height and brain injury to tackler and tackled player. Playing at decent amateur level, I suffered my worst "in the moment" brain injury when tackling 100% within proposed changes to Laws. I tackled a SR around the knees in what I hoped was a dominant tackle and suffered a knee to the head. I was examined by a player's wife who was a GP and allowed to carry on after what was a v crude HIA.

So my main question is are we sure we know what is causing the brain injuries and that are the subject of legal action - both at professional and amateur level? (Impact, the height of impact, the frequency of impact etc etc) And even if we are - is there/are there changes that would mitigate this risk and be enforceable?

There is a potential position where rugby as a game may not be "do'able". Especially if we do know (get to understand) what is causing the problems and if there isn't a viable mitigation.

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2023, 09:19:18 PM »
Does this mean the end of pick and go drives from 5 m out  ,or indeed attackers ducking into tackles, to allow defenders to tackle legally? Surely a requirement of this law would be that attacker?s should remain upright .

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2023, 10:54:19 PM »
Does this mean the end of pick and go drives from 5 m out or, indeed, attackers ducking into tackles, to allow defenders to tackle legally? Surely a requirement of this law would be that attacker?s should remain upright .

If they want to run the risk of headbutting a knee, then so be it.

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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2023, 12:00:44 AM »
Rugby Today on BT Sport this week was very instructive. Ross Tucker of WR, who's research was the basis of the statistics quoted, made it quite clear that 70% of head injuries occur to the tackler and not the ball carrier, and both players need risk to be lowered.

He said the highest risk (Red zone) is above the chest and the medium risk is hips and below (Orange zone). Therefore the optimum tackle area (Green zone) is in between. He said that also gives a reasonable margin of error to reduce risk if tackles are misplaced. It was also demonstrated that a one size fits all isn't the answer either.

What is apparent is the confusion and consternation caused by the RFU announcement, for which they have apologised and backtracked from, was wholly inappropriate and ill conceived as it lacked clarity and had absolutely no input from or consultation with stakeholders in the game.

Austin Healey said that showed the RFU Council and Executive are not fit for purpose and the RFU urgently needs restructuring. I completely agree.