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England today
« on: March 11, 2023, 05:23:20 PM »
35 mins and not a good situation for England.

Flament looks a fantastic player both in defence and attack, with 2-3 interventions a game that make a differnece.

I cannot help thinking that Tom Willis would be more effective than Dombrandt, who looks underpowered and lacking in direction.

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Re: England today
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2023, 05:29:29 PM »
Ouch. That's a lesson. If France maintain concentration this is going to get rather nasty...

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Re: England today
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2023, 05:30:42 PM »
At last England facing real competition. As predicted, being spanked.

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Re: England today
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2023, 05:34:28 PM »
I'm quite enjoying seeing what Shaun can do when given the freedom to implement it.

As to Dombrandt, we should never see him in an England shirt again.
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Re: England today
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2023, 05:47:15 PM »
Agreed Backdoc and VV.  I'm thoroughly enjoying this (sorry, Jack).  I've never before hoped France would win 6N, but ....  well  this is great so far, and well deserved.  You're a star, Smiler.

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Re: England today
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2023, 06:03:39 PM »
Flament again. MOM if there is any justice. What a player.

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Re: England today
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2023, 06:13:04 PM »
If MoM meant Man of the Mouth .....my  nomination is Fazlet.  Winding up the ref a treat.

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Re: England today
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2023, 06:27:32 PM »
Shaun Edwards made a statement today. A proud Englishman indeed.

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Re: England today
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2023, 06:31:59 PM »
Shaun Edwards made a statement today. A proud Englishman indeed.

Most valuable commodity in world rugby is Shaun!

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Re: England today
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2023, 06:33:48 PM »
Congratulations France and Smiler! You deserve it.

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Re: England today
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2023, 06:42:28 PM »
Quite galling (or should that be Gauling) that Farrell is brought on after 45 minutes but when he's playing badly is only taken off at 79 minutes. Galling because if Borthwick had waited then we wouldn't have been left with a forward in the backs getting exposed for two tries.

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Re: England today
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2023, 07:08:30 PM »
The U20s got equally exposed last night after a couple of flattering wins.

England rugby is not in a good place.

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Re: England today
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2023, 07:34:35 PM »
Analysis of that is remarkably simple. They were just better everywhere and in every discipline. England don?t have an international second row. Not sure how many anonymous performances Itoje can be allowed. There were inept, disinterested performances everywhere. You look to the bench and see Cole, Vunipola, Farrell, Ribbans. That?s the real rub. We aren?t missing anyone. There is no one else. We?re just not very good.

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Re: England today
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2023, 09:52:48 PM »
Analysis of that is remarkably simple. They were just better everywhere and in every discipline. England don?t have an international second row. Not sure how many anonymous performances Itoje can be allowed. There were inept, disinterested performances everywhere. You look to the bench and see Cole, Vunipola, Farrell, Ribbans. That?s the real rub. We aren?t missing anyone. There is no one else. We?re just not very good.
All of that. I'd only add It was a very similar game to the first 20 odd of France vs Scotland - pace, power and intensity that put them way up very early doors. That game differed as France had to defend vs a more than decent Scotland attack and so could not afford to take liberties. Scotland were decent at breakdown too and provided possession. But France were just too good.

Face such a start and have a bit of a "meh" day and not be as good as you'd have hoped you were and you'd get today's result. France were better than vs Scotland - but Scotland were a bigger challenge too.

Whilst the score was an outlier - it wasn't a performance that we hadn't seen before in each of the last two 6N's, and more than once. I suppose the longer term query is to ask how those players levels fell off so markedly and so quickly post 2020.

Taking a player out of the squad - how did BV go from probably near best 8 in world rugby to so poor in such a short time? And that goes for most of the EA's players.

My answer is Jones' regime became corrosive and the EA's got found out.

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Re: England today
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2023, 10:04:28 PM »
I thought Thibaud should have got MotM.

The 57 old farts should get rid of the chip on their shoulders and break the bank to sign up Shaun Edwards the earliest they have the opportunity. They've had 2, or is it 3, chances in the past and have let him go to countries that recognise his talents.
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