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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2023, 08:06:40 AM »
Just now in the Times:

Why London Irish 'need a miracle' to avoid collapse

Exiles on the brink of being third Premiership club to go out of business this season
Will Kelleher, Alex Lowe
Monday May 22 2023, 9.45pm, The Times

London Irish are on the brink of collapse. The RFU has set the club a hard deadline of May 30 to prove their viability for next season or be suspended from the English league pyramid.

One of two things must happen by next Tuesday if London Irish, who do not own their stadium and are saddled with ?30 million of debt, are to be saved:

● a proposed takeover by an American consortium, which has been in discussion since last October, is completed and approved by the RFU;

● the present owners of the club demonstrate they will continue to fund London Irish through the 2023-24 season.

Fail and London Irish will become the third professional club this season to collapse, after Worcester Warriors and Wasps.

Will London Irish survive?

Not one senior official in the English game has any confidence that the takeover will amount to anything. The consortium has missed multiple deadlines set by the RFU to provide key documentation, including proof of funds.

The RFU must approve any takeover and the union first requested information from the prospective owners five months ago.

It has emerged in recent days that the consortium is headed up by Alfred 'Chip' Sloan, an American former sports agent who previously expressed an interest in buying Saracens but did not close the deal. A group of former NBA and NFL players are part of the consortium?s leadership team.

One industry source said that the deal should have been thrown out on day one if the consortium was unable to demonstrate its funds, business plan and investors from the outset.

It is understood that the RFU has been frustrated by a series of unfulfilled commitments from the consortium, including statements that payments had been sent when they had not.

The consortium has insisted that there will be 'big progress' in the coming days but was unable to provide any evidence to support its 'great positivity'.

Regarding the second demand, there is a widespread expectation that Mick Crossan, who owns London Irish via his company, Powerday, will not be prepared to continue bankrolling the club.

The average losses of a Gallagher Premiership club each year are ?4 million. London Irish do not have the facility to generate income outside match days because they do not own a stadium.

In March, Crossan had to find emergency funds to cover the club?s monthly wage bill of ?500,000. The April salaries were paid a week late, minutes before the players were due to hand in breach-of-contract letters.

The most likely situation now is that Irish are suspended next Tuesday and drop out of the league, meaning the Premiership becomes a ten-team division a year earlier than planned.

'We need a miracle, one source said.

'I think it?s game over,' added another.

What happens after May 30?

The prospective buyers must state to the RFU in the next few days who the owners of the club would be, so that an external agency can complete a due diligence check before the May 30 deadline passes.

If the deadline is not met, London Irish will be suspended from the Premiership and could drop into administration, with the players permitted to leave. The club themselves, or one of their creditors, can place them into administration, not the RFU.

Player and staff salaries are due on May 31. If the wages are not paid and the club are still a going concern, players would have to submit breach-of-contract letters to be able to leave. That would give the club 14 days to come up with the money before players can walk away.

However, the players have been in discussions with the Rugby Players Association (RPA) trying to clarify whether they could leave immediately after the club are suspended. Matt Rogerson, the club captain, has been leading the discussions with club executives and the RPA.

The Times revealed that players have been lining up moves elsewhere for a number of weeks. It is understood that some of Irish?s England internationals have a 'respectable queue of quality employers' ready to sign them; others have secured provisional moves to France.

Could London Irish return if they are bought out after the deadline?

If this situation follows the Wasps blueprint from October, the collapse of the club could be brutally quick. Wasps entered administration and made 167 people redundant on the same day.

With other Premiership squads tight and the salary cap reduced to ?5 million, from ?6.4 million, there will be little room for a swathe of London Irish players in the league.

One idea is that the surviving ten Premiership clubs could be given dispensation to sign Irish players and afforded extra salary cap space. A benevolent fund could also be set up for unemployed players.

London Irish can be bought out from administration. If that happens, they would not be eligible for the 2023-24 season in any league.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2023, 10:19:25 AM »
Bet Tom Collins wishes he had signed his offer at Saints now.
There really isn?t a club out there now for any young player to sign for in the hope they could play a full career as a one club man. Best heading off to France now.

Really terrible news but it?s easy to see more falling into trouble next season

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2023, 11:39:21 AM »
Really terrible news but it?s easy to see more falling into trouble next season

Or even over the summer. With no matchday income coming in, and most advanced season tickets will have been bought by the end of May, the clubs will be very cashflow negative for 4 months for wages, will have to have cleared any outstanding trade debts by then, and will have the outflow of any stadium work that needs doing (like pitch work). I imagine it is when clubs lose most of the ?5m/year losses.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2023, 01:38:30 PM »
I?ve worked on the periphery of some very large telecoms deals, purchases and direct investment, in a number of countries doing technical due diligence. The one thing big investors look at most seriously is political risk. They kn?pf they can sack management if things aren?t going well but there?s not a lot they can do if the politicians and/or regulators suddenly change the rules.

To that end they look mostly for stability and competence and the interest paid, if investments or loans are made, is heavily geared by their perception of that risk. Wasps investors appear to have walked away because of the RFU and my guess is LI are having a similar problem looking for new investors.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2023, 05:38:58 PM »
If London Irish fail, will Newcastle be far behind.
And how will Exeter and other clubs who want just 10 Premiership teams feel about having just 8? 4 fewer home matches will have a big impact on their finances.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2023, 08:03:16 PM »
If London Irish fail, will Newcastle be far behind.
And how will Exeter and other clubs who want just 10 Premiership teams feel about having just 8? 4 fewer home matches will have a big impact on their finances.

Four less home games could easily lose clubs like Chiefs as much as ?2m, but, they could slim their squad, as they would not need the depth for fewer games.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2023, 08:45:27 PM »
I do wonder how the RFU and PRL would approach administration of a fourth club.

Would they pull out all the stops to save and keep it in the Prem, thereby incurring the wrath of Wasps, Worcs and LI.

Would they promote Jersey do fill the gap, making a mockery of the rules on ground requirements?

Or would they suddenly decide an 8 team league is the way forward.

My guess is that the only thing we can be sure of at this stage is that neither the RFU nor the PRL will have considered this eventuality. Instead they?ll continue to make it up as they go along.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2023, 09:53:41 AM »
Provided they can plan a proper season around a set number of teams, I don't think it would be a huge problem. The issue come swhen you planned for 13 and end up with 11.
If you can plan a season for 10, or 8, you can arrange other competitions or block out rest weeks etc to make it work.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2023, 11:20:17 AM »
Provided they can plan a proper season around a set number of teams, I don't think it would be a huge problem. The issue come swhen you planned for 13 and end up with 11.
If you can plan a season for 10, or 8, you can arrange other competitions or block out rest weeks etc to make it work.

Yes, but there's still the problem of those Clubs that remain getting enough income to make them profitable, or at least not making too much of a loss that causes their benefactors from pulling out.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2023, 11:36:55 AM »
Provided they can plan a proper season around a set number of teams, I don't think it would be a huge problem. The issue come swhen you planned for 13 and end up with 11.
If you can plan a season for 10, or 8, you can arrange other competitions or block out rest weeks etc to make it work.

Yes, but there's still the problem of those Clubs that remain getting enough income to make them profitable, or at least not making too much of a loss that causes their benefactors from pulling out.

For what my opinion is worth (not much!) I think the RFU/PRL are damned if they do and damned if they don't now.

They'll either upset Wasps and WW, certain Championship clubs or both with whatever they do.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2023, 12:17:33 PM »
Provided they can plan a proper season around a set number of teams, I don't think it would be a huge problem. The issue come swhen you planned for 13 and end up with 11.
If you can plan a season for 10, or 8, you can arrange other competitions or block out rest weeks etc to make it work.

Yes, but there's still the problem of those Clubs that remain getting enough income to make them profitable, or at least not making too much of a loss that causes their benefactors from pulling out.

For what my opinion is worth (not much!) I think the RFU/PRL are damned if they do and damned if they don't now.

They'll either upset Wasps and WW, certain Championship clubs or both with whatever they do.

However you can discount both Wasps and WW fans because they no longer matter.
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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2023, 01:07:55 PM »
I think the RFU/PRL are damned if they do and damned if they don't now.

Agreed. They have made their own bed to lie in. Which, I would suggest, dooms them to failure. Not a matter of if, but when. Painful to watch, but they have already kicked us out, so I sort of don't care any more.

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2023, 01:35:34 PM »
Report in the Standard:

Kind of explain why a bunch of retired American sportsmen might be interested in buying it.
But I suspect a LOT of speculation rather than facts.


"Fears have been raised that London Irish?s ailing takeover could see the club?s Hazelwood training ground turned into an NFL franchise base.

Sources close to the club have revealed concerns that the long-term aim of proposed investors would be to pave the way for the Hazelwood facility to be sold to either the NFL itself, or a London franchise.

Jacksonville Jaguars have long been tipped to make the leap across from the US to become the first overseas NFL franchise.

Irish?s state-of-the-art Hazelwood facility has hosted NFL teams in the UK and could fit the bill for an eventual training home should a team set up full-time shop in London.

Two-time Super Bowl winner and ex-Baltimore Raven Ray Lewis numbers among the consortium of former NFL and NBA stars bidding to buy London Irish from Powerday founder Mick Crossan.

Irish have until Monday to complete the takeover or prove funds for the full 2023/24 season, or face being booted out of the league structure by the RFU.

?The longer this has dragged on the more everyone has begun to worry,? a source close to the club told Standard Sport. ?The Hazelwood training ground is an amazing facility that everyone at the club rightly prizes.

?But right at the front of questions being asked is how would a new group of investors benefit from buying the club. Hazelwood is the top asset and the links to the NFL are clear.

?The players and staff have repeatedly been told that the deal is close to being completed, but the deadline is looming and still no one has been given any detailed information or concrete assurance that the takeover will be completed in time.?

Irish are inching ever closer to becoming the third Premiership team to go bust this season, with the consortium led by US investment firm NUE Capital still understood to be battling to secure financing to complete the deal.

The entrepreneurial group, including Lewis and former NBA stars Julius Erving, Allen Iverson and Dikembe Mutombo, are still yet to hand over any detailed information to the RFU on their takeover deal.

Industry experts have told Standard Sport there would still be time to complete the deal ahead of the deadline.

The consortium aiming to complete the Exiles takeover insist that their full focus remains on completing the deal to take charge of the Premiership outfit.

?Everything about London Irish will be bigger and better, the consortium partners remain entirely confident,? said a spokesperson for the Exiles? prospective new owners.

?Everyone is working around the clock to complete the transaction, and working towards the deadline that the consortium has been aware of for some time.

?There are no plans other than to complete the takeover and to drive London Irish forward.?

Irish?s players and staff went unpaid for six days at the start of the month, after the prospective owners failed to deliver their promise of covering the payroll costs.

Crossan stepped in to pay the overdue wages, but only after significant pressure from both Premiership Rugby and the RFU ? and Irish?s players threatening to submit breach-of-contract notices.

Irish?s players are trying to tee up escape routes if the worst happens and the club goes bust."

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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2023, 01:42:56 PM »
Industry experts have told Standard Sport there would still be time to complete the deal ahead of the deadline.

They obviously haven't dealt with the RFU!!
« Last Edit: May 24, 2023, 01:47:26 PM by Neils »
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Re: Latest on Irish from Chris Foy just now
« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2023, 01:49:13 PM »
I don't think the deal will get done. Why should it?

In a few days, Crossan will likely let the club go under. An administrator would likely sell Hazlewood to the Americans, pay all the creditors, including Crossan. If the rugby creditors get paid, Irish would be allowed to play in the Championship.

Gives Irish a reboot, leaves them without a ground, training ground or players. With just a few weeks to get started, or maybe the RFU will let them start again a year later?