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10 Changes that should be made - Article
« on: November 13, 2023, 03:30:53 PM »

Ten simple and effective law changes that should be made to rugby refereeing

After consulting with coaches, analysts and fans, Telegraph Sport has compiled a list of 10 easy tweaks that could quickly improve the game
By Charles Richardson, Rugby Reporter 13 November 2023 ? 11:47am


Although deemed a success, the Rugby World Cup was plagued by the vagaries and nuances of officiating.

Coaches complaining about referees, controversial decisions, and officials and their families receiving death threats were as commonplace ? and provoked more conversation ? than any wonder try or highlights reel emanating from France.

It would not be unreasonable to suggest that the World Cup, while magnificent, masked several of rugby?s issues. It is a sport which, currently, is still not quite sure what it wants to be. It was too easy for defenders to be kings, leaving attackers as paupers. There are too many stoppages, not enough urgency. Those who wish to spoil receive greater reward than those who wish to create. While both must be allowed to germinate in any team sport, the balance in rugby has tipped too far the wrong way. In a sport ? and world ? which is growing increasingly homogenous, creativity should be regarded as sacred, not left to peter out or play second fiddle.

The genie might be already out of the bottle. But, there are a couple of fundamentals to rugby as a sport in 2023: the teams are performing at a level whereby the spectacle is inhibited by the laws; and the laws ? or, more specifically, World Rugby?s interpretation of them ? are simply too arcane and complex to be applied consistently at tournaments like the World Cup, where the stakes are high.

After internal debate and consultation with coaches, analysts and fans, Telegraph Sport has compiled a list of 10 easy tweaks that could be applied to the laws of the game in a heartbeat. Perhaps, greater fundamental change is required, but such measures might end up tarnishing the fabric of the sport. These 10 tweaks are simple and effective; edicts to improve the sport in terms of spectacle and competition without compromising what makes it great.

1. Stop coaching

This might be the toughest, given how ingrained it has become, but it is also, paradoxically, one of the easiest. Referees need to communicate less. If a player is offside from chasing a kick, don?t tell them to get back, penalise them! If a player is offside at a ruck, don?t tell them to retreat, penalise them! If a player is deemed as off their feet at a ruck and continues to contest for the ball, don?t tell them, penalise them! They will not do it again. Discipline would improve tenfold, with players not willing to take the risk, keen to push the laws to the absolute limit ? and beyond.


The auxiliary benefit, too, would be that non-English-speaking teams would benefit, given they are palpably hampered every time they take the field with an English-speaking referee. Referees should speak with their whistle and little else.

2. Reduce TMO involvement

With the insidious increase in the power of the television match official, season on season, how long will it be before artificial intelligence is refereeing rugby matches? The TMO has been allowed to increase its remit for years, to a fault. There was the near-farcical situation at Gloucester on Friday night, when Bath captain Ben Spencer was sin-binned for a cynical offside on his own line but, because the infringement came in a try-scoring opportunity, the TMO was glancing at a potential Gloucester knock-on a few phases earlier. Had the spill been deemed as a knock-on, what would have happened to Spencer, who was yellow-carded for a non-dangerous act of foul play that occurred in a sort of vacuum period of the game which shouldn?t even have taken place? It would not have been the first instance in the past few years where rugby and the Hollywood blockbuster Inception had crossed paths.

The TMO?s remit should encompass try-scoring placements and severe acts of foul play only. That?s it. No slow-motion replays of forward passes ? more on that later ? and knock-ons, no slo-mo footage of ambiguous double movements.


And the bunker, while positive at a surface level, ended up causing more problems than it solved at the World Cup. It was a bit like taking paracetamol for tonsilitis; sure, it might improve the symptoms for four hours, but the infection will still require medical attention. A cure.

3. Turn all scrum penalties into free-kicks

This does not require much explanation. Too many games are decided on arbitrary scrum calls. The scrum is a way to restart the game. It is a fierce battleground, of course ? and must remain as such ? but teams scrummaging for penalties as a way of winning matches should not be allowed to continue.

Rightly or wrongly, the fact is that the narrative around scrums has become too negative for some time ? as Rob Baxter highlighted last week. Removing the risk of conceding a match-deciding penalty could result in more completed scrums, fewer resets, and greater competition for the ball. One leading analyst who spoke to Telegraph Sport said they would go even further, changing all infringements ? except dangerous, cynical or repeat offences ? to free-kicks. Too revolutionary for now, perhaps, but certainly worth monitoring.

4. Tidy up maul laws

This really only applies at line-outs ? which is bonkers in itself, given a set-piece maul, in rugby?s laws, has no separate code ? but mauls in this area are beyond messy. Players being instructed to ?not change their bind? by the referee; an action which involves their arms only, and allows them to do whatever they like with their bodies, except ?swimming?, where a player slides up the side of a maul illegally.


Most farcical, however, is that if opposing players end up on the attacking side of the maul ?legally?, with the ball available, when the scrum-half attempts to play the ball they are ?legally? entitled to dart straight for him or stick out hands and feet to disrupt him, because they are part of the maul and, therefore, the offside law of hindmost foot does not apply to them. Madness.

5. Enforce ? and tighten ? the ruck ?use it? countdown

The easiest tweak of this list? Referees could be stricter with enforcing the ?use it? law, whereby a team must play the ball five seconds after the referee has deemed it available. As it stands, this often leads to the dreaded ?caterpillar ruck? ? which would be tough to define, and therefore ban, in itself ? so enforcing this law would disrupt its formation. Only a positive. Could the limit be lowered to three seconds, too? Or, perhaps, once the referee has called ?use it?, the ball is automatically out after five seconds, rather than a resulting scrum?

6. Goal-line drop-outs should be for held-up only (at best)

A goal-line drop-out for the ball being held up over the line is more acceptable ? if only slightly ? but rewarding a team for kicking the ball into in-goal encourages a negative mindset ? and more kicking. Also, kicking the ball with enough power to reach the goal-line but not enough to roll dead has become a skill in itself in the sport ? which is a troubling avenue for rugby to go down. If the goal-line drop-out has to remain, then it should be for held-up, try-scoring opportunities only. If a team kicks the ball over the try line and the opposition touch it down, then it should revert back to a 22-metre drop-out.

7. Solve disparity in card severity

This is simple. No one disputes that Sam Cane?s tackle in the World Cup final was more severe than Siya Kolisi?s. But was the former?s really that much more severe than the latter?s to result in a punishment that was so much harsher? Cane off the field for the whole match; Kolisi for 10 minutes ? and millimetres, split-seconds decided it.


Cane absolutely deserved a harsher sentence ? which, along with his subsequent citing and three-match ban ? he received, but did New Zealand deserve to play the rest of the match with 14 while the eventual champion Springboks were forced to do so for just 10 minutes? Absolutely not. Of course, punishments need to be staggered to mirror degrees of severity but right now rugby has either life sentences or nights in the cells. It cannot continue. A 20-minute orange card for head contact could be the answer.

8. Reward jackalling that is only clearly and obviously legal

Easier said than done with the whistle in hand, but certainly an easy directive to enforce at boardroom level. Banning the jackal in its entirety might be the answer ? a philosophical shift to rugby?s engineering would require more research ? as like so many facets of the sport, the defensive side gains too much of an advantage. As Telegraph Sport revealed in the World Cup, some referees at rugby?s showpiece were favouring the defensive side as often as 70 per cent of the time in terms of breakdown penalties. That is not the fault of the officials, who deserve sympathy in this area. There are often millimetres between a legal and illegal jackal, and the only way to discern the difference accurately and regularly is by getting on your hands and knees and using a magnifying glass.

As it stands, players take advantage of this, knowing that they might get away with an illegal jackal and that, in any case, it is worth the risk. Referees give the benefit of doubt to the defender too often. Unless a jackaller is clearly and obviously legal ? with absolutely no floor contact and no knee resting on the ball-carrier ? then they should not be rewarded with a holding-on penalty. And, as highlighted in entry No 1, if they are not supporting their own body weight, then they should be penalised immediately ? not afforded a warning by a loquacious referee.

9. Prohibit dummying at scrums and rucks ? already in law

This is already enshrined in rugby?s laws, yet scrum-halves get away with murder in this area, dummying mainly box-kicks but also passes from rucks, scrums and mauls. It is yet another example of the kicker being king. Prohibit the dummying and allow more pressure on the clearance.

10. Abolish the nonsensical ?direction of hands? forward-pass law

No one knows what a forward pass is anymore. If anyone even dares to contest that they do, they are either a wizard or a liar. Passes which look blatantly forward are cleared owing to the direction of the attacker?s hands, while passes which often look marginal are analysed to within an inch of their life. There is probably a television angle to prove that most flat-looking passes in a match travel either forwards or backwards, such is the trickery of the camera.

Rugby must return ? without the TMO?s input ? to a more anecdotal approach to forward passes. If it looks forward, it is. If it doesn?t, it is not.
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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2023, 04:29:49 PM »
#1 Agree. It is what I like least about refs like Barnes (but, he has now retired).
#2 Agree, BUT ... the refs do not have ideal positioning. They seem to lack the feel for the game to be in the right place.
#3 Agree. I have proposed this for a while. And no opting for a scrum again.
#4 Not sure I agree that this is a major issue.
#5 Automatic 'out'. As soon as it is available, the ref starts counting (in their head), and simply calls it 'out' after 4 or 5 seconds. The scrum half is then on his/her own. No coaching again, so no calling use it.
#6 Anything that encourages kicking is a bad thing, and a goal line drop out as punishment for the defense is not right. If the ball goes over the line as a result of what the attackers did (kick or attempt to score a try), it should be a 22m drop.
#7 Nothing can solve this conundrum, which actually encourages red/yellow card play towards the end of the game.
#8 Agree
#9 Agree
#10 Agree

No mention of creeping offside at rucks and scrums. It helps defenses and ruins the game.

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2023, 04:52:12 PM »
#3 We've discussed this a number of times on here a good move.

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5. Enforce ? and tighten ? the ruck ?use it? countdown

The easiest tweak of this list? Referees could be stricter with enforcing the ?use it? law, whereby a team must play the ball five seconds after the referee has deemed it available. As it stands, this often leads to the dreaded ?caterpillar ruck? ? which would be tough to define, and therefore ban, in itself ? so enforcing this law would disrupt its formation. Only a positive. Could the limit be lowered to three seconds, too? Or, perhaps, once the referee has called ?use it?, the ball is automatically out after five seconds, rather than a resulting scrum?

Once the ref has called use it nobody can join the ruck on either side, should stop the caterpillar and also give the SH a hurry up in case there's a a big push from the defending side that can't be countered,

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2023, 05:26:19 PM »
1. Stop coaching

Up to a point. Some coaching prevents the game being a breakdown penalty every time. Players won't learn being pinged everybreak down and won't stop, and it will be like watching CMKs early games.

2. Reduce TMO involvement
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The TMO?s remit should encompass try-scoring placements and severe acts of foul play only. That?s it. No slow-motion replays of forward passes ? more on that later ? and knock-ons, no slo-mo footage of ambiguous double movements.

Not for me. The TMO replays of forward passes and double movments means a higher percentage of accurate decisions, and the vagarities of a ref being unsighted determines fewer results. Sure less TMO is a good thing to aim for, but the things TMOs can help with that the ref misses are often foward passes and foul play. Refs can't see everything. TMO intervention on forward passes after a try does not spoil the game for me.

And the bunker, while positive at a surface level, ended up causing more problems than it solved at the World Cup.
Agree


3. Turn all scrum penalties into free-kicks
Agree, fed up with arsewipe rugby teams winning matches due to scrums, or benefiting from their own knock ons

4. Tidy up maul laws
Agree, not huge issues for me though

5. Enforce ? and tighten ? the ruck ?use it? countdown

agree, 5 seconds and whistle, or 5 seconds and no offside free for all- or scrum- however you want to do it, I don't care. Kill those caterpillars any way you want, the whole area of the game needs review. Maybe officiate differently according to if you are in the 22- teams need to get the chance to escape, and that will be the box kick.
 Incidentally- anyone remember Hamish Smalles getting shown up by  the 5 second count and taking exception to it as it showed that the players could take high tea in the time it was taking to come out?


6. Goal-line drop-outs should be for held-up only (at best)
whatever, how is this a big issue?

7. Solve disparity in card severity

[yeah orange card is fine, but this is going to happen all the time no matter how many card flavours put up
8. Reward jackalling that is only clearly and obviously legal

disagree, love  a good defensive jackal- make kicking harder/less rewarding, don't penalise great defensive work

9. Prohibit dummying at scrums and rucks ? already in law
plenty of other laws to enforce as well- how about a straight feed?
10. Abolish the nonsensical ?direction of hands? forward-pass law
Rugby must return ? without the TMO?s input ? to a more anecdotal approach to forward passes. If it looks forward, it is. If it doesn?t, it is not.

NO. NO. NO. Do some physics- the only way to tell if a pass is forward is the direction of hands- map the ball and you will see the path is nearly always foward relative to where it is passed from. "looking forward" will depend on the ref being level- which is impossible. There is no other way to do it.

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2023, 05:44:02 PM »
Only issue I have with 3 is it means an underpowered scrum (think Aussies in the early '00s) gets away with not being able to hold a scrum up at all. There is no easy answer to this. Either you over reward a dominant scrum or under penalise a totally ineffective one.

Can you kick a drop goal direct from a free kick? If so this would stop a weak scrum just collapsing in a kickable position at least. If not what is to stop a powderpuff front row from going to ground every 5m defensive scrum?

I think there would be fewer completed scrums, not more.

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2023, 05:51:35 PM »
After 150 years, the rules called laws need changing?

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2023, 06:00:22 PM »
anyone remember Hamish Smalles getting shown up by  the 5 second count and taking exception to it as it showed that the players could take high tea in the time it was taking to come out?

I remember it well. James Gaskell started counting down for him and got slapped down for it. Smales then penalised him just about every time he got the ball. Jamma then had a brainwave and changed his scrum cap at HT and didn't get pinged the rest of the game. Smales was (probably still is) a total prat. Very poor ref as well.
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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2023, 06:21:36 PM »
Can you kick a drop goal direct from a free kick?

A brief googling says no. So back to over rewards a weak or ineffective scrum. A front row of Makos here we come.

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2023, 06:57:24 PM »
Can you kick a drop goal direct from a free kick?

A brief googling says no. So back to over rewards a weak or ineffective scrum. A front row of Makos here we come.
There's no reason why repeated offences couldn't be penalised by awarding a penalty.

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2023, 08:57:52 AM »
Are these changes really, needed?

It feels like in recent years, Rugby has begun to pander to non-rugby fans to try and coax them over.  It's hardly been a successful exercise as viewing figures and attendances are showing and in doing so feels like they're quickly beginning to alienate some of the core fans it so desperately needs.


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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2023, 09:35:45 AM »
Are these changes really, needed?

It feels like in recent years, Rugby has begun to pander to non-rugby fans to try and coax them over.  It's hardly been a successful exercise as viewing figures and attendances are showing and in doing so feels like they're quickly beginning to alienate some of the core fans it so desperately needs.

The problem is that the game was OK as we played it as kids. Abnormal giants were not playing, and very little money was changing hands. We were playing because we wanted to, not because we had bills to pay.

In came the money men. Greed and avarice took over. In came coaches, who picked the rules apart looking for loopholes, and bugger the spirit of the game. That was when the decline started.

The 'cheating' moved from occasional to wholesale. Ever since then, rules have tried to be introduced to stop the cheats.

If the ref was the only arbiter of wrong doing (no TMO and no refs on the touchline), do the cheating behind the refs back (offside encroachment all over the pitch). The ref does not have eyes in the back of their head, and can only stand on one side of a scrum, lineout or ruck.

The cheating became endemic and persistent. Ever since, the RFU has been behind, always reacting, and not being proactive.

With TV coverage and mobile phones, the cheating has become very public, very obvious, and ruins the game. A game of possession, speed and fluidity has become a game of frustration, delay and breaks.

The team that 'wins' consistently is the one that cheats the most, in the most effective way.

Given the way the game works, we will end up gravitating towards the same model as American Football, which has its roots in Rugby Union.

Longer games. More breaks. More officials. More game micromanagement.

And, for me, it has killed a beautiful game. Mammon has won.

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2023, 01:00:39 PM »
Maybe there is hope.  Our g/son  was (like the rest of the family)  broken hearted when Wasps went down the Swanee.  After a year  fending off good and bad luck and going off rugby and not being able to play for lack of time  (none of it his fault) he is on a good farm with folk he has known well.  Last week end he went to watch a match between two clubs both of whom he had played for. In one team was g/son's boss, g/son's previous games teacher and various friends.  ''We're a man down.  Brought your boots?''  ''Nah.  Not played since May.''  ''OK.''  said ex-teacher.  ''Join the huddle anyway.''  10 minutes later,  ''Right -  here's a shirt - put it on.  Oh - here's a pair  of shorts.  Look ... a pair of big boots!  Use your own socks.''   And off they went.  And they won.  And g/son has now re-joined the rugger buggers.  Training and playing and loving it.  All amateurs. Playing because they love it.  18 years old upwards.  Grown men.  Happy.  There is still a  love of grass roots rugby alive and flourishing that will survive against all odds. 

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2023, 01:01:15 PM »
westwaleswasp is correct about number 1, the players haven't got the sense to learn from their previous infringements so without the Ref "coaching" them the games become a boring penalty fest.

For me there's two things that are restricting Rugby from being a better spectacle and that's Penalty Scrums and High Tackles.

The fact that a team consistently gets penalised for not being as strong as their opponents in the scrum is an aberration and kills games.

The players need to understand once and for all that they need to tackle lower the fact that so many of them are still getting carded for high tackles reinforces my first sentence.



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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2023, 07:25:45 PM »
anyone remember Hamish Smalles getting shown up by  the 5 second count and taking exception to it as it showed that the players could take high tea in the time it was taking to come out?

I remember it well. James Gaskell started counting down for him and got slapped down for it. Smales then penalised him just about every time he got the ball. Jamma then had a brainwave and changed his scrum cap at HT and didn't get pinged the rest of the game. Smales was (probably still is) a total prat. Very poor ref as well.

Yes, that was it- I remembered the ref and the scrum cap, could not remember the player.

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Re: 10 Changes that should be made - Article
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2023, 08:19:30 PM »
Jamma continued changing his cap at halftime for yonks.