Always a Wasp

Author Topic: Dai chopped??  (Read 30083 times)

Raggs

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
  • Wasps Rugby Fan
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2020, 08:02:53 PM »
Could also be personal without being his health.

RBB

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1244
  • It’s like trying to tackle a snooker table!
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2020, 08:21:38 PM »
All very odd this isn't it. Three main possibilities for me. 1) He's simply been sacked and there is a wrangle over the terms of the departure given he's mid contract. So he's not technically been dismissed yet hence the interim piece. 2) I think it's long been a plan to move Dai upstairs and have a head coach move in. This could be this playing out but if this was it I can't see the announcements would be done in such a ham fisted way. 3) It's a health issue and he's just stepping back for a while before re-taking control. It could be one or three for me. Sincerely hope it's not three from Dai's point of view. However I'd also be really disappointed if he has been dismissed as I personally think he has and continues to do a fantastic job.

I think it is #4. He got re-involved in coaching when the deal with Danny Wilson fell through. He probably didn't want to do that and said so at the time, and he has simply had enough. My guess is that Wasps have a head coach lined up. If it was Howley, there would be nothing to stop Wasps from saying that. Something this weekend may have triggered it. Maybe Scotland are having second thoughts about their coaching setup? Maybe they have withdrawn the Glasgow offer to Wilson? Something has kicked off in the background that has enabled Wasps to do this now.

I tend to agree with this PoV, I think something has happened which has caused the club to react as there may potentially be a window of opportunity, which means action now is called for. As much as I like Dai, Steven Vaughan must be looking at results as a barometer of how things really are. Professional sport is a results game, the number of wins are the only true measure. Dai to me, seems battle scarred and is perhaps in need of a rest or some respite. Given that top flight rugby is secured, then the CEO is more than likely thinking we may as well make a change now, rather then enter a lottery in the close season. Michael Cheika anyone? He is working with Sydney Roosters (NRL) on a short term advisory role but is linked with Montpellier, so Europe is perhaps on his radar. The post match pressers would be good value if nothing else.
It was fine when I left it.....

HDAWG

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1320
  • Wasps Rugby Fan
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2020, 08:38:39 PM »
Cheika is great until given a mic. Like Lancaster I think he'd perform better as a skills coach behind the scenes rather than a head coach.

westwaleswasp

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2014
  • Wasps Rugby Fan
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2020, 08:59:09 PM »
I think I have had enough mouthy Aussie coaches.
Wishing Dai all the best.

RBB

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1244
  • It’s like trying to tackle a snooker table!
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2020, 09:12:38 PM »
It was fine when I left it.....

Wiltshire Wasp

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 787
  • Loving Coventry
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2020, 09:39:23 PM »
Pat Lam 18/1 - you must be having a laugh!
“In a world full of Kardashians be an Audrey”.

JF

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 410
  • Wasps Rugby Fan
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2020, 09:43:28 PM »
Latest odds from Paddy Power, Cheika at 8-1

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/odds-on-next-wasps-boss-17732461

He's not on that list, so what's Kinga up to these days? His name was often in the frame in past years.

Rory87

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 132
  • Wasps Rugby Fan
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2020, 09:45:07 PM »
Want to wait before I start speculating on a possible replacement, as something just doesn’t seem right here.

This isn’t how clubs have handled ‘dismissals’ or planned replacements. This has to be an unforeseen event which has resulted in the club being unprepared. What I can get my head around is how Cov Telegraph have this story... All I’ve read is that Dai bailed on a press conference and then his car wasn’t in his usual spot. Is the players meeting confirmed, if so where’s that leak come from?

It just seems so odd happening now, even more so without a word from the club or a replacement announced (if one is actually coming). If it’s interim, then it suggests he’ll be back to his usual role in the future, so not a dismissal.

Chilham

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 586
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2020, 10:26:04 PM »
Latest odds from Paddy Power, Cheika at 8-1

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/odds-on-next-wasps-boss-17732461

He's not on that list, so what's Kinga up to these days? His name was often in the frame in past years.

Brive, I think.

Davidabricot

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
  • Wasps Rugby Fan
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2020, 10:57:36 PM »
He's coaching skills but on a part-time basis.

Heathen

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3094
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2020, 11:14:04 PM »
Kicking coach I believe.

Davidabricot

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
  • Wasps Rugby Fan
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2020, 11:36:30 PM »
Yes kicking coach. I'm not sure you can build a profesional life arround this, especially at Brive. Most kicking coaches leave their club to become full-time coaches elsewhere. Teulet, despite he is still the best kicker ever in top14 (with more than 3000 pts), stopped to be a kicking consultant to train the team of his childhood. And I'm not sure that Wilkinson spend all his time to coach Toulon's kickers.
I'm about to bet on Worsley to be honest. Not sure he would be the right man to do the job, but I've got the feeling he can be the selected one.

AKWasp

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 287
  • Wasps Rugby Fan
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2020, 10:22:13 AM »
I think it may be a combination of a coaching reshuffle and Dai needing/wanting some time away.

He’s taken the past 2 years hard (saying results last year left him in a dark place) and he, more than anyone, deserves the best treatment from the club.

Would love to see him have some time off to enjoy himself and have a break from coaching, then come back in the summer revitalised as DoR with Howley as head coach and Wurzle as assistant head coach.

NellyWellyWaspy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4037
  • Getting older a couple of minutes every day
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2020, 10:50:34 AM »
The i is reporting that internal sources at the club confirm that the reason is entirely rugby related, so, not health.

Thus, narrowed down to performance on the pitch (results) and the squad.

RogerE

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1323
  • Old Wasps Player (Not saying which team and when!)
    • View Profile
Re: Dai chopped??
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2020, 11:06:24 AM »
The I's take on it:

Dai Young steps back at Wasps after alarming drain of talent and form at Ricoh Arena
Director of rugby has been relieved of duties for 'an interim period' and i understands the change is related solely to rugby matters
Wasps’ director of rugby Dai Young has been relieved of his duties for “an interim period” ahead of his team’s big Premiership derby match at Leicester this Saturday, as mystery surrounds the Welshman’s future at the Coventry-based club.

Young was scheduled to handle Wasps’ pre-match media conference as normal on Monday, but he withdrew without notice or explanation, and the club’s defence coach Ian Costello fronted the session instead.

Wasps issued a short official statement yesterday: “Director of Rugby Dai Young will be stepping back from first-team duties for an ­interim period. Lee Blackett will step up to Interim Head Coach. Further ­announcements will be made in due course.”
The Coventry Telegraph reported a senior management meeting was called at Wasps’ Ricoh Arena stadium on Tuesday morning followed by the club’s players being addressed at the training ground in Broadstreet.

There was no reference to the ­developments on the club’s website or social-media accounts.

But a well-placed source told i the change is related solely to rugby matters.

Young’s team went into the ­recent mid-winter Premiership break ­apparently in good heart after a 30-26 win away to Worcester. But they have lost six of their nine league matches this season and were knocked out at the pool stage of the second-grade European Challenge Cup.

Including last season, Wasps have won 13 and drawn one of their last 46 matches in all competitions.

Young, the 52-year-old former Wales and Lions prop forward, joined the then London club in ­summer 2011 and fought a successful battle against relegation with a youthful team in his first season.

Wasps moved up the table each year thereafter and topped the Premiership in 2017, only to lose the grand final to Exeter Chiefs in extra time at Twickenham.

Young has yet to win a trophy with the six-times league champions, the club has slumped from being Premiership semi-finalists again in 2018 to eighth place at the end of the last campaign, and there has been an alarming drain of talent in the past two years.

England stars Elliot Daly and Nathan Hughes left last summer, to Saracens and Bristol respectively, while internationals Willie le Roux, Kurtley Beale, Danny Cipriani, James Haskell, Will Stuart, Marty Moore, Joe Simpson, Christian Wade and Michele Campagnaro have also moved on.

They are currently ninth in the Premiership, six points above Leicester, although neither side have to worry about relegation as ­Saracens are already doomed to that fate.

The 37-year-old backs coach Blackett joined Wasps in 2015 from Championship club Rotherham, where he was the youngest head coach in the top two tiers of English rugby.

And former Wasps scrum-half Rob Howley has been linked with a return as head coach when his betting-related suspension ends this June.

Young told The Rugby Paper last September his current Wasps contract to 2023 would be his last and he was hoping to land an international job after that.