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Re: Serious injury for Jack.
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2021, 03:44:48 PM »
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Re: Serious injury for Jack.
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2021, 04:00:39 PM »
Sounds a bit similar as a layman to Reiders - "The injuries he suffered to his left knee were like nothing the specialists or the Wasps physio team had seen before on a rugby field. In dislocating his knee, Rieder's lateral corner was torn, the hamstring tendon was torn, the popliteus muscle was torn."

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Re: Serious injury for Jack.
« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2021, 11:31:24 PM »
Don’t know how or why NZ press are more optimistic about No damage to ligaments.

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Re: Serious injury for Jack.
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2021, 07:39:09 AM »
"England flanker Jack Willis facing long lay-off after injury against Italy | Six Nations 2021 | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/14/england-flanker-jack-willis-facing-long-lay-off-after-injury-six-nations-italy

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Re: Serious injury for Jack.
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2021, 05:48:12 PM »
Forgive me for sounding like a broken record but the number of pundits and coaches calling for the so-called "crocodile roll" to be outlawed are missing the point. Officials just need to referee the laws that already exist in the IRB law book. Arriving players MUST STAY ON THEIR FEET. If you actually consistently penalise players who fly off their feet they'll soon stop doing it and the game becomes safer. Jack's injury wouldn't have happened, the Red cards against Ireland last week and Scotland this weekend wouldn't have happened.

One of the things I'm very pleased to see, principally from the English referees who seemed to have picked up something that Wayne Barnes has being doing for a while is how they referee the scrum. They've gone back to the original principal of a scrum which is to win possession of the ball, NOT to "win" a penalty. If the team get the ball to the back of the scrum they should use it and if the scrum goes down, so-what, you've got the ball get on with playing rugby. (Contrast it has to be mentioned to Andrew Brace where Scotland had a scrum put in against England, ball goes straight to the no.8 then nothing happens. No call of "use it", he waits 4 or 5 seconds until it collapses then awards a penalty to Scotland. That is NOT rugby.)

The maul is supposed to be an ad-hoc scrum where players join, bind together and attempt to win possession by pushing their opponents off the ball, a good counter ruck is a rare but beautiful thing! Just referee the breakdown for that to happen and all the dangerous stuff disappears, simple. Players join from behind or alongside the hind-most player, they stay on their feet, bind on and push. Exactly what the Law book says. You don't need to outlaw anything, just referee the bloody laws, that's what they're for!!! 

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Re: Serious injury for Jack.
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2021, 08:51:02 PM »
Ad-hoc scrum? Didn't that used to be known as a loose scrum?
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« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2021, 09:38:06 PM »
Agree. The laws are already there. But it says it all that Negri's infringement was not even penalised. The sport has to get a hold of this and be consistent for in at the side and off feet. It's like the Wild West at the minute and injuries will mount up.

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Re: Serious injury for Jack.
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2021, 12:47:44 PM »
Shugs. I agree, I was astonished that the game restarted with a scum to Italy without so much as checking with the TMO, particularly as to add insult to (serious) injury, Italy scored from the scrum.

I don't want to have a go at Negri, you shouldn't punish the outcome of an infringement unless you are sure there was malice and I don't think for a second that he had any intention of injuring Jack, he was doing what every player is doing these days due to how the breakdown is coached and refereed. If you consider the laws, for a start, Jack was first to the ball, was on his feet and should have won possession so there's a very strong argument for a pen to England for not releasing, or the scrum should have gone to England as the team in possession at the moment the injury took place. Negri definitely went straight off his feet, penalty offence. Not quite as clear cut but looked very much like he was in at the side, also a penalty, and there was plenty of quoting of Law 9.20a, foul play at the ruck at the weekend after Scotland's red card; "A player must not charge into a ruck or maul." It is intended to outlaw head contact but it also describes Negri's actions. It does mention that "Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul" so perhaps it's not applicable as he obviously grabbed Jack, it depends whether you call tackling someone which is essentially what he did, "binding".

So, there's at least one, clear-cut 100% certain infringement and potentially up to 3 others so to not even review the incident is ridiculous. Completely agree that they cannot continue to allow this sort of thing, rugby is quite dangerous enough already.

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Re: Serious injury for Jack.
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2021, 01:35:13 PM »
Update:

The scan of Jack Willis’ knee has revealed a significant knee ligament and cartilage injury.

He will be consulting with specialists in the coming days to plan his surgery which is expected to take place in the next 10-14 days.

The timescales associated with his injury will become clearer once he has consulted with the specialists.