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Meddling Barstewards at it Again
« on: June 24, 2023, 10:50:40 PM »

World league moves closer as rugby holds summit on new tournament

Exclusive: Stakeholders could extend autumn Test window next week as part of move towards new international league
By Gavin Mairs, Chief Rugby Union Correspondent 24 June 2023 ? 8:00am
The competition could include a northern versus southern hemisphere ?grand final? every two years


World Rugby hopes to secure agreement to extend the window for Test matches to be played each autumn during key meetings in London next week which could provide the ?breakthrough moment? for a new world league competition.

Telegraph Sport revealed in March that a blueprint for a new tournament starting in 2026 - including a northern versus southern hemisphere ?grand final? every two years, as well as the ring fencing of the Six Nations Championship - had been agreed

A final consultation phase, including surveys with the players and leagues has since been conducted, and all major stakeholders from the northern and southern hemispheres, will assemble at the Royal Garden hotel in Kensington for a four-day summit next week to discuss the conclusions.

Two days have also been set aside for negotiations to secure agreement to changes to World Rugby?s Regulation 9, which guarantees the release of players for international matches, from three to four weekends in November.

This is required to accommodate the ?grand final? and possibly also a promotion and relegation match from 2030 to provide a pathway from a second-tier competition which is expected to be launched next year for nations including Georgia, Samoa and Tonga.
?Willing parties from all corners?

Portas Consulting, a global management consultancy business based in London, has been leading the review over Reg 9 and there is growing expectation that a deal can be struck.

?The stage is set here for closing this thing out,? said one source close to the talks. ?You have got willing parties from all corners ? the Six Nations group, the Premiership and it sounds like Sanzaar (the main southern hemisphere unions) are getting their act together as well.?

Sources close to the negotiations say agreement on a fourth weekend for Test rugby will be critical to securing the new global season framework, which could also see the southern hemisphere?s Rugby Championship switch from the traditional summer slot to coincide with the Six Nations in February and March.

It is understood that World Rugby want to hold a summit similar to the one staged in San Francisco in January 2017, that led to the last global season agreement, during the Rugby World Cup in France in September and October with the expectation of unveiling the new ?Nations Cup? during the tournament.

?The format is agreed, the last detail to get over the line is the revenue share and the complexities over the fourth weekend in the autumn,? said another source.

?The French Top 14 league is taking the hardest line on this, but if we can get agreement on Reg 9, it will be the breakthrough moment.?

To secure buy-in from the clubs, particularly in France (the England clubs already have an agreement with the Rugby Football Union to play four Tests each autumn), it is likely that changes to Reg 9 will also include financial compensation to recognise their financial risk and investment in developing the players.

?I will be going into that room saying ?let?s crack on with this?? said one source. ?Let?s constructively sort out how the player release mechanism will work.?
Players? concern over Six Nations fatigue

One sticking point, however, could be if the clubs push for the Six Nations to be reduced from seven to six weeks to accommodate the extra weekend for Test rugby in November although it is not thought to be currently on the table for discussion.

It is understood some players have expressed concern about the physical demands of playing the championship with just one weekend off, while there is also opposition within some unions.

Warren Gatland, the Wales head coach, told Telegraph Sport that it would be difficult for the Celtic Nations and Italy to cope, given their smaller playing bases and could affect the quality of rugby on show for supporters. 

?It might be okay for France and England, but I am not sure if the rest of us will be able to cope with the attritional demands of reducing the Six Nations from seven to six weeks,? Gatland said.

?And if they shave a week off now, the next target will be to reduce it to five weeks. Player welfare has to come into it. It was tough enough for us this season to finish with two games in a row. Fans also want to see teams playing at full strength, not impacted by injuries.?

Other sources have suggested that the Six Nations may not have to be reduced if the final weekend in November only involves the final and promotion and relegation match, rather than all countries involved in play-off matches to determine final standings. 

The proposed new league structure, which will only include games that take place in the summer and autumn windows, is to be formed by two groups of six teams from each hemisphere ? namely the Six Nations and Rugby Championship sides, with Japan and Fiji also expected to be included.

Northern hemisphere sides will play three southern opponents away from home in the July window, bringing to an end the traditional summer tours of two or three Tests against one host country.

The fixtures will be replicated at the home venues of the northern hemisphere nations in the November window, with the tournament to be held every two years from 2026, with fixtures rotated so that every side plays against each other over a two-tournament cycle.

The stakeholders are confident there will be a significant uplift in the broadcasting and commercial values for both hemispheres
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Re: Meddling Barstewards at it Again
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2023, 12:06:40 PM »
F*** O** - TV at the core of this. Rugby at club does not need it.

And how can it be N v S when most of the Saffas are playing in the URC?

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2023, 03:11:08 PM »
No, what rugby needs is less global TV interest, less cash, and even more clubs going to the wall. More important that we carry on doing it the way we've been doing it for decades because that's what we all know and love and after all, it's been going really well hasn't it?

If we don't want pro rugby to go down the toilet entirely (and I appreciate many Wasps fans understandably don't give a toss if it does!), then something far more radical than a 10 team Premiership needs to happen.

Rugby authorities have come under fire for inaction while Worcester, Wasps and Irish were lost, yet when there are rumours of change afoot, then traditionalist fans are up in arms. Maybe some of us are not as far removed from the old farts at HQ as we might like to think.

Arguably if something like this had happened years ago then rugby's finances would be in ruder health today and Wasps and others might still exist. Like it or not, this is what genuine progress is going to look like.

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2023, 03:30:40 PM »
No, what rugby needs is less global TV interest, less cash, and even more clubs going to the wall. More important that we carry on doing it the way we've been doing it for decades because that's what we all know and love and after all, it's been going really well hasn't it?

If we don't want pro rugby to go down the toilet entirely (and I appreciate many Wasps fans understandably don't give a toss if it does!), then something far more radical than a 10 team Premiership needs to happen.

Rugby authorities have come under fire for inaction while Worcester, Wasps and Irish were lost, yet when there are rumours of change afoot, then traditionalist fans are up in arms. Maybe some of us are not as far removed from the old farts at HQ as we might like to think.

Arguably if something like this had happened years ago then rugby's finances would be in ruder health today and Wasps and others might still exist. Like it or not, this is what genuine progress is going to look like.

But it is always the "poor" superior SH wagging. More internationals will mean less games players play for club rugby. Interest will switch to beer swilling Twickers etc. Not exactly supporting the club game - just pouring TV money to SH nations and the money pit RFU.
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Re: Meddling Barstewards at it Again
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2023, 04:05:46 PM »
Why does the game need to employ consultants to come up with this?

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Re: Meddling Barstewards at it Again
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2023, 07:42:39 PM »
Shugs: First they suggest some changes to consider, then they offer to put them into practice, then they go away having been paid their expensive invoices.

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2023, 09:19:51 PM »
Anything involving the SH is about them taking NH money, end of.
The game down there is buggered financially, but they have won every WC bar one, and whilst we had 8 finalists, they were always that bit better. Their system was set up for a strong international system but weaker finances, whilst we prioritised cash over the sucess of our international teams. Those chickens to roost. Their finances are going down the toilet, they want us to bail them out, which is what the global season talked about by WR will do. Contrary to popular belief the international game has no problem here, it is the club game that is screwed for various reasons.

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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2023, 10:34:00 AM »
Eaxactly. I fear you are mistaken DGP that anything would be different in the Prem if this had been enacted years ago. What is needed to save the Prem is an overhaul of the club structure, not a change in International structures leading to more Internationals.

This is simply an attempt to double the frequency of the RWC. It went like this:-
1. The RWC makes money, we want more money, let's have a RWC every year.
2. We can't do that, it'll devalue the RWC.
3. Ok, let's compromise, in the middle of the 4 year RWC cycle let's have a tournament for International teams and call it the World Rugby Championship or WRC.
4. Brilliant, shall we go for lunch?

The RFU was the richest union in the world and the Prem is screwed. Giving the RFU more money isn't really gonna help English club rugby is it?

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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2023, 08:03:55 PM »
Eaxactly. I fear you are mistaken DGP that anything would be different in the Prem if this had been enacted years ago. What is needed to save the Prem is an overhaul of the club structure, not a change in International structures leading to more Internationals.

This is simply an attempt to double the frequency of the RWC. It went like this:-
1. The RWC makes money, we want more money, let's have a RWC every year.
2. We can't do that, it'll devalue the RWC.
3. Ok, let's compromise, in the middle of the 4 year RWC cycle let's have a tournament for International teams and call it the World Rugby Championship or WRC.
4. Brilliant, shall we go for lunch?

The RFU was the richest union in the world and the Prem is screwed. Giving the RFU more money isn't really gonna help English club rugby is it?

Not saying these changes would've saved Wasps necessarily. It was more of a general point that we as fans (and I include myself in this) have been critical of rugby authorities' inaction in allowing the current financial crisis to develop, yet we baulk at the very idea of anything radically different from the status quo.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2023, 07:46:34 AM »
The financial crisis is largely confined to the club games, the SH and England, who have had a massive income and find new ways to spaff it away.