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Central Contracts incoming
« on: October 03, 2023, 08:06:59 AM »
Article in Telegraph suggests this is part of the new PGA coming into being from next season.
If no-one posts article in the meantime will do so after dog walk.
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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2023, 08:27:01 AM »

The Rugby Football Union and Premiership Rugby are understood to have reached agreement on a radical overhaul of the control and management of leading England players as part of a wider ?128 million deal.

The new ?professional game partnership?, which is expected to be publicly unveiled in December, will see the current 45-man elite player squad (EPS) replaced by a new arrangement that will give England head coach Steve Borthwick much greater control of an inner core group of 20 players from the start of next season.

The stand-out feature of the new deal will enable Borthwick to have much greater oversight and input into both the conditioning, skills development and player load of an elite hand-picked group who will be identified as the foundation stones for the 2027 World Cup squad, in a new two-tier system that retains a larger EPS group.

The establishing of what is close to a ?hybrid contract? for England?s leading players would give Borthwick and the RFU more control and input into the playing and training load of his main players in return for greater compensation. It should also intensify competition among players within the England squad to secure a ?core? place.

?This is about creating a winning England and winning clubs,? said one senior source. ?It is a win-win for clubs and country.?

At present all clubs are paid ?40,000 for every player provided to England?s Elite Player Squad, regardless if they are an established starter or unused player.
?England coach will be held to a much greater account?

The deal, which is expected to see the RFU pay the 10 Premiership clubs around ?32million per year for the next four years, will also see Borthwick face greater accountability than his predecessor Eddie Jones, who was accused of paying ?lip service? to post-tournament reviews.

The extra scrutiny and transparency is to come in the form of a ?beefed up? professional game board, which includes representatives from the RFU, Premiership and Championship clubs and the players? union.

It is thought that it may include the appointment of an independent chair, and sources claim the new PGB will no longer be regarded as a talking shop.

?For the first time the England coach will have to be more transparent about his decisions and be held to a much greater account,? said one senior source close to the PGB. ?In future it will be able to bare its teeth. Eddie seemed to treat the PGB with disdain, those days are over.?

The deal will also see the scrapping of the widely discredited anonymous review panel, made up of RFU board and executive members, as well as former players and coaches, that was originally set up to hold Jones to account.

Borthwick is unlikely to resist greater accountability. Sources say it was his presentation to the PBG following England?s disastrous Six Nations campaign that provided an ?alarming wake-up call? to the failings of the current system.

Encouragingly, there appears to be much greater enthusiasm within the Premiership clubs to collaborate with the England project, after relations had completely broken-down during Jones?s seven-year tenure.

The new arrangement, which will kick in next year, should see England move much closer to much-vaunted Ireland?s high-performance programme which has enabled Andy Farrell?s side to move to No 1 in the world rankings despite a fraction of the player numbers and financial resources.

England, despite the ?200 million spent on the last eight-year professional game agreement, only had access to 25 players during a normal Test week, not enough for 15 v 15 training sessions ? a situation that does not affect Borthwick?s Ireland counterpart Andy Farrell. Clubs generously allowed the national team to retain 29 players during last season?s Six Nations but that was an exception to the rule.

A symptom of the failing of the current regime came when Borthwick warned at the end of the Six Nations campaign in March that his players were not fit enough to compete at the World Cup, but claimed he did not have the power to address the problem before the squad reassembled for the pre-tournament camp.

?Once the players leave on Sunday and return to their clubs, we have no control over them. We will have conversations with the players and with their clubs so we can give what we would like, but ultimately we don?t have any control over that,? said Borthwick.

?What we all want is a competitive, vibrant Premiership that produces the best possible players in a condition ready for Test rugby to be able to compete at the top of Test rugby. Because that is where we want to be. We don?t want multiple Six Nations with only a couple of wins. We want to be at the top of the championship.?

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2023, 09:28:40 AM »
Thanks just back. Nice to see it posted.
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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2023, 09:42:30 AM »
Maybe the new Game Agreement is a bit more advanced than we might think. December seems to be the come clean about it month.
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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2023, 10:50:40 AM »
Interesting, Sounds similar to the Welsh system too.

As much as I appreciate the effectiveness of the Irish system, I would rather English rugby replicated something similar to what has happened in France where the domestic game is growing alongside International success.

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2023, 11:42:56 AM »
Is there a danger that it further entrenches a lot of what Eddie was criticised for though? Eddie was always accused of not dropping out of form players and not picking those that were tearing up the Prem. If you have a core group of players picked now to represent England in the 2027 RWC and the RFU control how much they play for their clubs how does a fresh new player grab a place? It'll be far too easy for Borthwick to point out that the incumbent hasn't played as much and just "trust the process" whilst ignoring new talent.

I guess the devil will be in the detail, how often are contracts reviewed and the core group rejigged?

People used to say that England had far more access to their players in camps, not that they needed more. Is this just concocting a failure because you can present a solution rather than correcting the failures (players played out of position, players played when under performing in favour of those playing well, tactics rigidly adhered to even when the scoreboard shows those tactics not working etc etc) that actually existed?

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2023, 12:19:46 PM »
What it means is that you get a much narrower vision of how the team needs to perform on the pitch, with a little fine tuning with a few players parachuted in as needed to fill gaps.

So, if you watch the Irish and Welsh teams, they play the 'same' or similar game every match. Much as the All Blacks do. If the coach gets that winning formula, all is well. If the coach gets it wrong, woe all round.

Players who want to be professionals, who want entry in to that cadre, MUST play that way, and so the feeder teams start to resemble the national team. In a way, by dumping Wasps, Warriors and Irish, that task is much easier, as the remaining teams already play that boring formulaic rugby.

What the RFU sees as success is full crowds at HQ, paying premium prices and drinking and dining their faces off. For the team, it is about grinding out wins.

Who gives a damn about the fans, the real fans, often ones who once played themselves? They see the professional game for the sham that it is. Real rugby will be seen where the players are amateurs. They aren't playing for the glory and silverware, the oily TV interviews.

And we will be back in the 70s and 80s. Now Rugby Union has three professional offshoots; American Football, Rugby League, and the PRL. And the RFU? Well, they can go stuff themselves.

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2023, 12:55:04 PM »
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The new ?professional game partnership?, which is expected to be publicly unveiled in December, will see the current 45-man elite player squad (EPS) replaced by a new arrangement that will give England head coach Steve Borthwick much greater control of an inner core group of 20 players from the start of next season.
This looks divisive and damaging to esprit de corp and will need to be managed very carefully.

And this just looks like code for the inner corps of players to play less:

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The stand-out feature of the new deal will enable Borthwick to have much greater oversight and input into both the conditioning, skills development and player load of an elite hand-picked group who will be identified as the foundation stones for the 2027 World Cup squad, in a new two-tier system that retains a larger EPS group.

I can't see that doing much for season ticket sales and attracting young fans to the game to watch their heroes.

 

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2023, 02:06:51 PM »
I identify a major problem with giving Borthwick more access to players.
He is not Shaun Edwards.
If the bloke at the top is intent on hot garbage rugby, then unlimited access to players makes that worse, not better.

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2023, 09:14:22 PM »
Where do the near broke RFU find the cash?

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2023, 09:23:49 PM »
Where do the near broke RFU find the cash?

They'll take it out of the Championship budget - oh wait ...

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2023, 10:52:41 PM »
Where do the near broke RFU find the cash?

They'll take it out of the Championship budget - oh wait ...

Yep, once you have robbed Peter ...

Next they will turn to the loan sharks, sorry, I mean financiers and banks, and mortgage the family jewels, their daughters ...

Banks are always happy to lend you an umbrella while the sun is shining, but at the first sign of rain, they want them back.

I suspect Sweeney and his lot have already hocked everything, and when it all collapses, it will be shown to be what it has been for years; just smoke and mirrors.
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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2023, 08:11:02 AM »
From the same magic money tree they've found to spend ?220 million on the professional women's game by 2032 presumably. Not sure where the return on that 'investment' will be.

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Re: Central Contracts incoming
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2023, 08:51:05 AM »
Why does it feel like they will do this for a couple of years before running out of finance, changing their mind and doing something completely different. Meanwhile several more clubs with long histories and their many supporters will disappear. It's sad that a once positive supporter like me has become so negative.

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2023, 10:10:54 AM »
Why does it feel like they will do this for a couple of years before running out of finance, changing their mind and doing something completely different.

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Probably because they haven't clearly and publicly defined their goal and until they do that its difficult to produce a strategy that looks coherent and at the moment what we are seeing is tactics, which are even shorter term.

Their goal appears to be: Make the England rugby team great again.

In which case everything else is subservient to that goal including the clubs and if a few fail then its for the greater good, or to use a political phrase the end justifies the means.

If the goal was something like: To produce a strong amateur and professional rugby structure that underpins a long term successful England rugby team.

Then you could have confidence that they will at least be concerned about ensuring clubs are given every chance to succeed, but accepting they have no define right to exist.

To a loose approximation I'd say Ireland has gone down the first path and France the second. I think I can say with some confidence the general sentiment hereabouts is the French model.