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Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs

Exclusive: Professional Game Partnership proposal would reduce senior squads to 35 players plus 12 more from the academy
Daniel Schofield, Deputy Rugby Union Correspondent 11 December 2023 ? 7:20pm


Maximum squad sizes will be imposed upon Premiership clubs as part of the new Professional Game Partnership with the Rugby Football Union, Telegraph Sport can reveal.

While discussions are continuing, the leading proposal will limit clubs to a maximum senior squad of 35 players with a further 12 players in a ?transition? group from their academy.

Capping the number of senior and academy players a club can carry was understood to be a key recommendation of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport advisers, Ralph Rimmer and Chris Pilling, who were appointed last summer by the government to create a more sustainable league after the loss of three Premiership clubs to administration last season.

The reduction from 13 to 10 teams means that there is no longer an overlap with the regular international windows so there is less need for teams to carry bloated squads to compensate for club v country clashes. The purpose of imposing an upper limit is designed to not only control costs but to encourage teams to put more faith in their academy players rather than relying on journeymen to fill holes. Young English players? lack of game time has been cited as a key concern by Bill Sweeney, the RFU chief executive, heading into the PGP negotiations with the Premiership which are unlikely to conclude this year.

While some clubs who have traditionally carried small squads such as Sale Sharks and Northampton Saints would be unaffected by such a change, teams such as Bath, who have a total of 73 senior and academy players, and Harlequins, who have 47 senior players, would need to make significant cuts in the coming seasons.

?You need to hit that sweet spot,? a source close to the negotiations said. ?You don?t want your squad to be too small where players are playing too much but you don?t want your squad to be too big where players never play. There are squads of 70 and there will be 10-15 players in that who play less than five games a season. That just does not help anyone.?

The transition group would have its own salary cap while clubs would carry a further ?rookie? class for Under-20 and Under-19 up to a maximum of 15 players.

The controversial development of Premiership 2 in the place of the Championship and streamlining numbers within academies together with the introduction of a draft system are also means to ensure younger players receive more game time. There is a recognition that certain clubs benefit disproportionately from the current academy catchment system which leads to them hoarding talented young players with only the narrowest path to regular first-team rugby which is the single most critical ingredient to their development.

?Clubs need to identify the prospects who are really likely to break through,? the source added. ?Also if you restrict those numbers then it allows other clubs to pick up some of those other talents who would otherwise be stockpiled. We would not want a load of young fly-halves to be queued up behind Marcus Smith at Harlequins because he will be there for the foreseeable future and they simply will not be playing.?
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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2023, 12:07:33 PM »
Prem 2 won't happen.

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2023, 12:12:22 PM »
So. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Let's take the case of Club X, let's give them the code name of 'cheats'.

Cheats know that 35 players in a squad could leave them short in the case of injury, and before they could have simply recalled a 'loan' player from a friendly Championship club down the road.

Let's say that loan player is now 'let go', and signs formerly for that same Championship club. And, because the sugar daddy who funds the cheats is feeling generous, he agrees to help said local Championship club with a donation. Let's say it is equal to what cheats would have paid that same player the year before. And an injury happens, and the cheats call the coach at that local Championship side. 'Any chance you could loan us player y for a few games?' 'Not a problem, being as you have been so nice in helping us with funding this year,' is the reply they get.

What is the bottom line difference?

What happens if the PRL outlaw the Premiership sugar daddy from making such donations? Maybe a club sponsor might suddenly also sponsor the Championship club?

Now, I am not for one moment suggesting that a club like cheats would be so sneaky and underhand as to avoid rules that were laid down clearly for the benefit of the game ...

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2023, 02:38:10 PM »
Yet another story about what might happen, even admitting that discussions are still ongoing.
Pointless. All parties need to stop leaking bits of it to test the water, just get on and thrash out the agreement (sorry "Partnership".

To answer your point Nelly, if the rules are written properly you would not be able to just "loan" a player from another club (obviously with caveats for specialist positions like front row or maybe a medical joker type arrangement like the top 14)

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2023, 05:46:23 PM »
Yet another story about what might happen, even admitting that discussions are still ongoing.
Pointless. All parties need to stop leaking bits of it to test the water, just get on and thrash out the agreement (sorry "Partnership".

To answer your point Nelly, if the rules are written properly you would not be able to just "loan" a player from another club (obviously with caveats for specialist positions like front row or maybe a medical joker type arrangement like the top 14)

Make a rule, someone will always find a way around it.

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2023, 08:11:40 AM »
I must admit I?m astounded at how long this is taking. This is the bed that was made when PRL went ahead in the format it is - running itself. At this point they may as well just give up and go with the plan that says 1) Carry on with 10 in the prem 2) Let the RFU continue with endless non matches to fill their pockets 3) Forget prem 2 and the second tier as a whole and 4) Just hope no one notices we haven?t actually done anything.

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2023, 09:23:21 AM »
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Make a rule, someone will always find a way around it.

Well yes, but if you accepted that then we wouldn't bother about any rules on anything.
Draft the rules properly & make the process transparent, it makes breaking them more difficult & more obvious.

Obviously this is PRL & RFU we are talking about so that is clearly unlikely but I am trying to be positive. The idea is not a bad one, just needs implementing properly, IMO.

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2023, 09:56:35 AM »
You would need to avoid loans from the prem 2 championship by maintaining a loan pool run externally. The only reason the prl want prem 2 is so that they can have their feeder clubs, not so that they can be replaced or threatened.

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2023, 06:26:32 PM »
Hang on. Why the need to limit squad numbers? Surely it can?t be on the grounds of cost. After all, reducing the number of teams in the Prem was meant to increase revenue for the remaining clubs. That?s what the promise was. The muppets.



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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2023, 07:30:01 AM »
Hark!  Is that the sound of goal posts moving?

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2023, 01:14:48 PM »
Hang on. Why the need to limit squad numbers? Surely it can?t be on the grounds of cost. After all, reducing the number of teams in the Prem was meant to increase revenue for the remaining clubs. That?s what the promise was. The muppets.


If that's their theory the remaining 9 clubs will be even better off financially with the demise of Falcons and Ealing not allowed to join due to not having a 10K capacity stadium.

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Re: Premiership clubs to face squad limits under new regulations to cut costs
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2023, 01:44:54 PM »
Hang on. Why the need to limit squad numbers? Surely it can?t be on the grounds of cost. After all, reducing the number of teams in the Prem was meant to increase revenue for the remaining clubs. That?s what the promise was. The muppets.

The cynic in me thinks that fewer players means fewer ex-players joining a class action lawsuit in future years.