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Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« on: January 05, 2019, 10:07:46 AM »
It's well worth the read. Some interesting statements and comments. I think it puts to the lie those posters on the other place who are calling for Dai' head on a spike outside the Ricoh.

Wasps remain defiant in face of poor form and player exit rumours: 'One victory will make so much difference'
Wasps director of rugby Dai Young has never believed in sugar-coating reality, be it as a formidable front-row unit for Wales and the Lions or now as the four-square front man for a once high-achieving team that now finds itself in a slump that has seen only one victory in the last 13 matches.
There is no air of crisis just yet at Wasps’ belt-and-braces training base at Binley Woods on the outskirts of Coventry but nor is there any escaping the significance of Sunday’s Gallagher Premiership fixture against Northampton Saints at the Ricoh. 
“A win will rocket us up the table,” said Young in that honest, deadpan way of his. “A loss will put us in the smelly stuff. We need to get a smile back into the place and one victory will make so much difference.”
Young was in charge when Wasps were an hour away from sliding into financial oblivion six years ago, with the director of rugby having to dip into his own pocket to provide medical bandages for the first-aid kit, so he is equipped with a sense of perspective on these matters, but he recognises that sport owes nothing to anybody, no matter that it is only a decade since Wasps bossed the domestic game and even in the last three years have been Premiership semi-finalists twice as well as extra-time losing finalists to Exeter Chiefs in 2017.
There have been rumours of player disquiet over training facilities, with reports that the likes of Elliot Daly, Nathan Hughes and Willie le Roux are leaving at the end of the season. It’s a reflection on modern mores that Wasps in their previous below-stairs residence at Twyford Avenue used to pride themselves on their spirit and achievements in defiance of such basic surroundings.
There is progress on training facilities, with The Daily Telegraph led to understand that the £5 million customised project at nearby Old Leamingtonians will be ready by early next year. The turnover of squad, however, is a more complex matter.
“While we want to keep our best players, the hard reality is that it may not always be in the best long-term interests of the club,” said Wasps' chief executive, Nick Eastwood. “The fact of the matter is that players will be leaving clubs because of salary-cap restrictions. If there are four or five players out of contract and they all come with six-figure increase demands, what can you do? There is the salary cap itself but there are also salary comparatives within the squad to consider, that knock-on effect on others.
“You have to give more and more thought to that. So, you may have to say goodbye to players. There will be a (greater) rotation of talent. I’m absolutely confident, though, that Wasps, because of its pedigree, its outstanding director of rugby, the Ricoh and our future vision, that we will continue to recruit who we want.”
Wasps’ current squad does not lack for quality, if only they could all get out on the field at the same time. Injury affects all clubs but Wasps have been particularly blighted. Factor in, too, that their top try-scorer of the last three seasons, wing Christian Wade, decided that, in the words of Young, ‘he didn’t like rugby anymore’, and headed off to American Football. The return of captain Joe Launchbury is timely, a ‘shot in the arm’ after only managing three games this season.
Scrum-half Dan Robson plays only his third match since recovering from ankle surgery in October, the sort of livewire presence that has attracted serious interest from Eddie Jones as he ponders his World Cup options and just the kind of dynamic presence that should enable the marquee import, former All Black fly-half Lima Sopoaga, to flourish. Given that veteran playmaker Jimmy Gopperth was crocked in a pre-season friendly, it is little surprise that Sopoaga, effectively the replacement for Danny Cipriani, has taken time to settle.
“When you are in a hole you can feel that everything is going against you but we’re tight as a group and go into Sunday ready to throw everything at it,” said Robson, who was the best-performing scrum-half in the Premiership when injury struck in early October and had a solid case for making his England debut in the November Tests. “It was the worst injury I’ve ever had, in itself and being a hurdle I had to get over. I felt I was in a good place, finally knocking down the England door. But all that will look after itself. It’s about performing for Wasps. It was the best decision I ever made coming here (in 2015) and it’s pretty much my whole life. We’re not a club happy with mediocrity.”
That much is true of many of those in the Premiership mix. It is as tight as it has ever been with only five points separating seven clubs prior to this round of matches. Everyone is desperate to get clear of the mid-table bunch but another of Wasps’ Kiwi imports, England back-row forward Brad Shields, warns against getting too wrapped up in the team’s predicament, even though the former Hurricanes captain has yet to win in a Wasps shirt after seven matches.
“Of course we have to treat every game at the minute as a cup final but, that said, if you get too bogged down about results then you can lose clarity in your thinking,” said Shields, whose club appearances have been affected by various injury ailments since arriving on a three-year deal in the late summer. “There is definitely more to come from me. I’ve only been scratching the surface so far. Any place I go to, I try to leave in a better place. That’s the aim here at Wasps.”
Young concedes that ‘the longer you go without a win the more confidence is hit and doubt sets in’. Sunday’s game has much riding on it. Even Young admits that ‘the result outweighs the performance’. Reckoning time at the Ricoh.



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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2019, 10:24:08 AM »
This is also worth a look and a largely positive outlook.

https://lastwordonrugby.com/2019/01/05/premiership-rugby-mid-season-status-part-two/

Wasps – Trouble at the Ricoh?

To begin with Wasps look set to comfortable in the top four this season. Although, as time has gone on, they have slipped down the table. Reports of unrest at the Coventry based side have also begun to emerge with the likes of Elliot Daly rumoured to be on his way out. This coupled with an ever-growing injury list has made things difficult for Dai Young.


However, all is not lost for Wasps.

Rumours surrounding unrest and departures should not be overstated, as they can often spiral out of control. When they get back up to full strength they are going to be a real threat to contend with.

The reality is, they simply have too much talent not to be challenging at the upper end of the Premiership if they can get their players fit and firing.
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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2019, 12:56:19 PM »
Some very reassuring comments from Dobby there, thanks for posting!
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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2019, 02:15:21 PM »
Also interesting comments from Brad Shields.

Experienced elite athletes think differently to the rest of us.
They're aware that you can't get too upset about bad results. Getting angry, sad, depressed, or upset at poor performances does nothing to help winning the next game

It's all about taking previous performances on board, not dwelling on them, staying happy and confident, and then going and doing the job on the pitch.


What usually separates average prem players from to prem players is consistency. Every player can look like the best in the world and get MoM on their day, but it's the better players that perform at that level more often.
Players will only ever be consistent if they're focusing on the here and now, and the current game, rather than worrying about what's gone wrong previously and generally getting demoralised


I believe that's the point that Brad is making

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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2019, 08:51:27 PM »
Ross,

"It's well worth the read. Some interesting statements and comments. I think it puts to the lie those posters on the other place who are calling for Dai' head on a spike outside the Ricoh."

Fact and sensibility have no place on DW..are you mad!

The Rugby pod ..Rumour WLR might be staying, i for one would be ecstatic..can't see it but ...

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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2019, 09:28:42 PM »
I think the WLR rumour is about staying until the end of our season. I think he was wishing to be released to Bulls for the start of their season running up to the WC. Dai apparently said no. Could be a rumour!
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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2019, 10:03:23 PM »
I think the win will come. I am expecting it tomorrow, as I have said elsewhere on this site and DW. The article makes some good points.

I do think the persistent complaints about DW are childish and tiresome, and (I don't mean the OP in this case, more the general comments around the board) . I don't remotely agree with calls for Dai's head, but a small minority of the people I find in my camp have not tried to engage with the views, merely carping from the sidelines about how reasonable they are and how stupid the other lot are, which is neither constructive nor reasoned. It serves to alienate rather than unify and seems to be antithetical to the point of a public forum.
I can live with those calling for Dai's head, and I am not going to call them unreasoned or whatever for having the temerity to disagree with me.




 



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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2019, 11:26:13 PM »
I do think the persistent complaints about DW are childish and tiresome, and (I don't mean the OP in this case, more the general comments around the board) . I don't remotely agree with calls for Dai's head, but a small minority of the people I find in my camp have not tried to engage with the views, merely carping from the sidelines about how reasonable they are and how stupid the other lot are, which is neither constructive nor reasoned. It serves to alienate rather than unify and seems to be antithetical to the point of a public forum.
I can live with those calling for Dai's head, and I am not going to call them unreasoned or whatever for having the temerity to disagree with me.


I think I agree with you, westwalian. But there are some there now who seem to have their own agendas entirely. I don't post much there now. However I still read some of the threads but some are just too predictable to even bother.
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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2019, 01:10:47 AM »
There are definitely people with agendas there, and a couple whose dogs must have been run over by Dai on his way to seduce their wife.... :)
Costello too seems as welcome as fresh vomit straight from the devil's backside for some.

But nobody is wrong all the time, and there is some substance, or at least some valid questions to be asked, if we dig through the hyperbole.

I actually like some interventions by other club supporters, as long as they are respectfully put and not trolling, and there are posters there who make consistently good points and several who make me laugh (in a positive way).

I think when we get our W the world will seem better to all, people will be much more positive when the sun shines.
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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2019, 10:28:57 AM »
Well maybe it's not what they say but how they say it that makes the difference. Some of the comments from our faithful and supporters of other clubs would get you a punch in the nose elsewhere.
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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2019, 01:12:52 PM »
Absolutely. It is how it is said, politeness costs nothing.

Disagreement is fine, as long as it is polite, not full of "I told you so" and posts that just say "You are wrong/stupid/not worth arguing with" and nothing else.


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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2019, 02:49:53 PM »
Heated discussions and disagreements are fine, but I'd say the goal for any forum is to stick to the kind of discussion you'd have in a bar with a beer in hand.
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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2019, 11:15:06 AM »
I've seen Blackett, Dai and Costello getting it.

I feel for all of them really. Dai was expecting Wilson to come in and cover forwards and defence and do a likely fantastic job. Costello ends up having to cover defence (which personally I think is improving), and Blackett, who proved he was skilled before Cips came in, has had the same issue as Sops, with so much churn in players and key players at that.

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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2019, 02:18:44 PM »
I've seen Blackett, Dai and Costello getting it.

I feel for all of them really. Dai was expecting Wilson to come in and cover forwards and defence and do a likely fantastic job. Costello ends up having to cover defence (which personally I think is improving), and Blackett, who proved he was skilled before Cips came in, has had the same issue as Sops, with so much churn in players and key players at that.

I think it's really interesting that for the first time this season we were seeing familiar attacking structures on the field.  Come to think of it, I was writing about how we struture our attack on this site round about when Cips joined us, and then it all fell apart for a while, and then we moved on to him finding space and putting people it in.  Now we're back to those same structures again.

I'm taking that as a good sign...
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Re: Mick Cleary Writes in the Telegraph (Long)
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2019, 03:43:14 PM »
I've seen Blackett, Dai and Costello getting it.

I feel for all of them really. Dai was expecting Wilson to come in and cover forwards and defence and do a likely fantastic job. Costello ends up having to cover defence (which personally I think is improving), and Blackett, who proved he was skilled before Cips came in, has had the same issue as Sops, with so much churn in players and key players at that.

I think it's really interesting that for the first time this season we were seeing familiar attacking structures on the field.  Come to think of it, I was writing about how we struture our attack on this site round about when Cips joined us, and then it all fell apart for a while, and then we moved on to him finding space and putting people it in.  Now we're back to those same structures again.

I'm taking that as a good sign...

I hope so, I've not really been able to watch games too closely recently, but before Cips we used to greatly vary our first receiver, which would keep the opposition guessing, when Cips came in, it changed to virtually all play going through him, it will of course take time to adapt to another 10 and perhaps revert back to the old gameplan.