Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Rossm on November 11, 2019, 03:25:21 PM
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Sh*t a brick. Get well soon, Jamma.
This and other injury updates from Bobby Bridge:
Doesn't sound good :'(
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-injury-updates-james-gaskell-17238547 (https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-injury-updates-james-gaskell-17238547)
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One of our most important players...always broken.
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One of our most important players...always broken.
I was thinking just that. We employ too many fragile players.
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One of our most important players...always broken.
I was thinking just that. We employ too many fragile players.
Certainly seems that way doesn't it.
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Do we have a S&C problem?
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You can't plan to prevent a shoulder dislocation, so in this instance no
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A real shame this is. We can't catch a break injury wise. I'm not convinced it's a conditioning problem. I'd certainly be resting Shields, Vailanu and Carr against Bordeaux.
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You can't plan to prevent a shoulder dislocation, so in this instance no
Ok, it was more of a general question, given last year especially
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You can't plan to prevent a shoulder dislocation, so in this instance no
Its an entirely fair question Mike. I'd say we have a proliferation of ACL's which bears looking into. These are particularly worrying as they are season scenarios. I'm also not convinced that our game management in the latter stages is not connected to fatigue rather than lack of nous.
Ok, it was more of a general question, given last year especially
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You can't plan to prevent a shoulder dislocation, so in this instance no
Ok, it was more of a general question, given last year especially
Understood, hence why I said in this instance.
I think we just have a mix of injury prone players and bad luck, nothing more. In Taylor, Mac and Gaskell we must have table toppers in minutes off pitch...without even considering the catastrophic luck Reider, Jones and Rees had, to name a few. Some players out there just don't seem to get injured..the ones that do we seem to employ.
Thats my take on it
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Thanks gents. Certainly, I'd be looking to compare our record to other clubs.
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It would be interesting to see comparisons with other clubs. It always feels like we have the worst record, but then we are more aware of Wasps and injuries.
Without coming over all Lady Bracknell on the subject of misfortune as opposed to carelessness, if our record is significantly worse then it seems likely that there are a set of underlying reasons such as overworking/fatigue, that are making our figures worse. However we might not be that much worse than other clubs.
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It would be interesting to see comparisons with other clubs. It always feels like we have the worst record, but then we are more aware of Wasps and injuries.
Without coming over all Lady Bracknell on the subject of misfortune as opposed to carelessness, if our record is significantly worse then it seems likely that there are a set of underlying reasons such as overworking/fatigue, that are making our figures worse. However we might not be that much worse than other clubs.
I had the same thoughts about how we compare to other clubs and its natural for us to concentrate on our injuries.
In the last few seasons the only other club I can think of is Bath. Off the top of my head... Watson, Joseph, Louw, Faletau, Obano we're all out for very long term injuries and there might be others that I can't think of.
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It’s a real shame as I really like Gaskell but has others have said he is injured too often.
We do need to look at this, how many weeks has he been injured, just in the last 3 seasons, at a guess most probably half the time
We need less fragile players
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Didn't one of the papers look at it a year or 2 ago and decided the was little difference between any of the clubs' injuries, except Sale who had significantly less.... I thought it was attributed to non/minimal contact training
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Not sure quite how we get "less fragile" players. Rugby is a much more physical game than it was when I played and the players are all so much bigger. I have a rugby programme for Wales v Ireland in 1955 - the props were 14 stone and under 6 foot! They might be allowed to play on the wing now.
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It would be interesting to see comparisons with other clubs. It always feels like we have the worst record, but then we are more aware of Wasps and injuries.
Without coming over all Lady Bracknell on the subject of misfortune as opposed to carelessness, if our record is significantly worse then it seems likely that there are a set of underlying reasons such as overworking/fatigue, that are making our figures worse. However we might not be that much worse than other clubs.
I've not seen anything produced with stats and explanations
There was this about England which also explains at least one Bath injury(Obano) with reference to the Prem
https://inews.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/england-rugby-injuries-over-training-eddie-jones-142558
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I've made the same comment before on here, can't remember which thread and exactly when, but I'm certain that last season someone put some stats up on the DW forum, and we were not as bad it seemed to us all then when compared with the other clubs.
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Not sure quite how we get "less fragile" players. Rugby is a much more physical game than it was when I played and the players are all so much bigger. I have a rugby programme for Wales v Ireland in 1955 - the props were 14 stone and under 6 foot! They might be allowed to play on the wing now.
To add to this, the laws protect the players a lot more from injuries these days than back in 1955 (before I was born), however, the overall levels of physicality have increased. The only other team that appears to have the same level of pain as us is as previously mentioned Bath.
I am not sure there is anything we can attribute it to, bad luck can often be just that. Like EJ picking Sam Jones and then getting Maro to break him.