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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: BB Breaking - Announcements
« on: October 20, 2022, 12:58:42 PM »
Would anyone want to go into business with - and let's be brutally honest here - a damaged brand? Cov may want to pick up as many players as they can, but why would they dilute their own brand or identity? What could we bring to the table that an owner couldn't just do direct by investing in Coventry?

Fair comment. Anyhow, let’s hope we can still see some of our guys playing for Cov.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Sarries again
« on: October 20, 2022, 11:09:02 AM »
Hang on a minute.

If the surviving ten are going to keep afloat by bringing in more fans for fewer games, how does that work if there is insufficient capacity right now?

+1

its a response I’ve seen in Industry that dates back to Ancient Rome.

Petronius Arbiter, a Roman official at the time of Nero, wrote, 'We tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion inefficiency, and demoralization.


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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: BB Breaking - Announcements
« on: October 20, 2022, 10:37:15 AM »



Given that we have no players, coaches, staff, stadium or anything, what value does a merger offer to Coventry rugby club?

Yes I take your point, probably beyond that now.

So probably more likely that Cov could offer some of our players employment if it strengthens their squad? That would be good if any of them want to stay local.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: BB Breaking - Announcements
« on: October 20, 2022, 10:20:31 AM »
Look maybe this is a bit whacky but with Wasps and Cov Rugby playing in the Championship would it make sense to merge? Does that give a better chance of competing with Ealing Trailfinders?

OK OK yes I’m probably still feeling the effects of the anaesthetics!

Still not worn off yet?

It feels a bit distasteful to be suggesting mergers with other clubs as a survival tactic for us.  Although I do wonder how things could, or might play out if we were liquidated with no chance of survival and if CRFC had aspirations to become a Premiership Club.

No this genuinely wasn’t meant to be just a one eyed plan.

As I mentioned, I recently watched Cov play Ealing Trailfinders and really was very sad to see that it was a complete mismatch - Men v Boys, even though the Cov lads were giving it 100%.

Well I’ve watched and supported Cov all my life, so I am well aware of the pride the fans have for the memory of a once great club but that’s also tempered by the reality now that IMHO Cov won’t get promotion to the Premiership on current form.

Having watched Prem rugby at the Ricoh/CBSA since Wasps move up, it’s the level I want to watch in Coventry. (Although not necessarily there in the future if the stadium is sold and unaffordable).

I’m sure no Wasps or Coventry fan will think this is a good idea but as a Cov Kid, I’m just trying to be realistic here.

Is it time for both clubs to bury the hatchet and stop living in the past? Take it as an opportunity?

Would ‘Coventry Wasps’ have a better chance of getting promotion to the Premiership?

I’ve always been a dreamer!

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: BB Breaking - Announcements
« on: October 20, 2022, 09:16:14 AM »
Look maybe this is a bit whacky but with Wasps and Cov Rugby playing in the Championship would it make sense to merge? Does that give a better chance of competing with Ealing Trailfinders?

OK OK yes I’m probably still feeling the effects of the anaesthetics!


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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: BB - Administrator Confident
« on: October 19, 2022, 11:28:25 AM »
One "fan" was suggesting we were trying to cut into Midlands rugby support - which given it was a new city for pro rugby seemed rather paranoid and that we were v unpopular in Coventry, a "city pleased to se the back of us"
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I felt I needed to confirm here that Wasps are adored in Coventry by thousands of rugby supporters and so I’d be hopeful they do stay at the CBSA. At the matches I meet lots a locals and we love it!

Get the right backer now and we can be back in the Premiership very soon. Continuing to build momentum and a larger fan base here is possible.

PS This season I have been to watch Cov v Ealing and I do watch lower level matches … but the way Wasps play is miles better to watch.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps facing relegation
« on: October 14, 2022, 03:58:16 PM »
Coming out of the anaesthetic from my op, I had two dreams:
1 that my 2nd Total Knee Replacement op this year would be as successful as the first, and
2 that 🐝 future would have been successfully assured.
Well the first dream is going to plan, just hope we’ll get some good news on the 2nd this week.

Wow! Am I still under the influence of the anaesthetic? Or is Dream 2 inching closer?

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps facing relegation
« on: October 14, 2022, 01:27:54 PM »
Coming out of the anaesthetic from my op, I had two dreams:
1 that my 2nd Total Knee Replacement op this year would be as successful as the first, and
2 that 🐝 future would have been successfully assured.
Well the first dream is going to plan, just hope we’ll get some good news on the 2nd this week.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps facing relegation
« on: October 12, 2022, 08:31:37 PM »
8:15 is the Phil Upton Show. At 8 they have a longish news slot, followed by weather. At around 8:15 they have a slot called Good Morning, Bad Morning. This morning the first story was Mike Ashley and Sports Direct possibly opening up that new place. It quickly descends in to Trivia usually, for example, Deliveroo offering finance for food purchases.

Thanks!

But, and this is important, we are as mushrooms in this. What could have happened already? Just supposition ...

Wasps approached an Insolvency Practitioner (IP) who agreed to act should the decision be made, and Wasps asked that IP to talk with the creditors in advance, to get a creditor's committee together (typically representing more than 50% of creditors by total debt). Usually, HMRC are in there. Many creditors give their proxy to the IP.

So that, by the time the Court approves the administration, a so-called pre-pack is in place.

Now, the IP has to advertise their appointment in the London Gazette, but it can take a day or two for that to appear. If the IP does not speak directly to the media, you have only small clues that the business went in to administration. Such as ... social media goes silent and website, online shop, etc. go offline (they did BTW).

The doors to the premises are locked. No idea if that happened. Staff are called to a meeting (I think BB said that happened this afternoon) to meet the IP and the directors.

If the pre-pack is in place, contracts would be signed within hours, and the deal announced publicly (after, a rescue is a 'good' thing, so the media are spoken to). This has not happened. That is odd, as the UK business day is now over. Maybe the buyer is overseas in a country/timezone where the business day is different.

Money has to flow. For an overseas transfer to the UK of that size, the IP might not officially see it until early morning UK time, but will already have had proof it has been sent on its way. An American resident buyer for example.

IF a pre-pack was in place, and IF the administration was this afternoon, you could expect the new buyer to emerge tomorrow morning, on media channels local to Coventry (I can't see it making national news on air). Say, around 8am.

Of course, as a pre-pack, this will have been arranged in advance. The media station that will 'break' the news will already know. Staff at the IP will know. Staff at Wasps and directors (some at least) will know. Wasps' most important assets (the players) will know. Some will speak to friends, some to wives/partners/husbands/family, and rumours will appear.

I get the feeling this is what will happen. I get the feeling the RFU already know Wasps are in Administration, and THAT triggered the suspension.

I think they will hold fire on announcing the relegation to see if Wasps can limit the lost games to just the Chiefs one. If Wasps can manage that and get playing again, they will get hit with a 35 points deduction, but no relegation.

Worcester fans will say, what about us? The RFU will reply, do you still have players under contract, because Wasps do? Do you have a ground you can play at, because Wasps do? Do you even have an owner, because Wasps do.

Nice and neatly, the PRL becomes 12 teams again. And other clubs who are teetering know what they have to do. See how Wasps started this process just after paying the players and all staff, so they could all remain under contract? That's how you do a pre-pack insolvency.

Blimey 😏

I popped out to get a meal feeling pretty fed up given the 🐝 news, then I read this on return.

Just wanted to say thx for cheering me up, even if it doesn’t last, that’s a glimmer of hope.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Morning all
« on: October 09, 2022, 08:48:53 AM »
In normal circumstances I’d be pretty excited as it’s match day. But given the emotional roller coaster we’re on and what might or might not happen in the next week or two, I can’t wait to get in to the CBSA and cheer my head off for the boys💥

I’m hoping there will be a big crowd today, does anybody know what’s expected? I’m guessing it’ll be 10k - what do you guys think?


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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: The endless thread
« on: October 08, 2022, 08:22:37 AM »
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Worcester
« on: October 08, 2022, 08:14:08 AM »
Thats great. Forgive me for getting twitchy when somebody suggests Wasps may cease to exist 😏

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Teams Up for Saints - Vinny Starts.
« on: October 07, 2022, 12:27:20 PM »
Like the look of the 🐝 team and looking forward to seeing them in action at the CBSA.

When you’ve got a World Class player, obviously he’s going to play - so it will be fantastic to witness Koch’s debut.

I’m sorry Alfie is injured and wish him a speedy recovery, but this IMHO is still a top back row selection.

Centre pick is full of experience and it’’s good to see them start together.

Also looking forward to seeing the super quick Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, come off the bench.

Should be a very good match as Saints will be tough opposition. 

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Worcester
« on: October 07, 2022, 12:16:07 PM »

IMO if Wasps do get relegated they may not survive at all.

Just wondering, who do you support? It’s clearly not Wasps.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Alfie
« on: October 05, 2022, 09:56:11 PM »
16 weeks doesn't equate to the year or season end. I am puzzled.

Lee said 16 weeks if he had the op, he had the op.

Calendar year?

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