Always a Wasp
General Category => Wasps Rugby Discussion => Topic started by: Raggs on April 14, 2019, 03:52:38 PM
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Not expecting that after the first 2 scores!
Hughes seems to be the only leaving who's not average-poor for me. Simpson maybe as well to be fair to him.
Shields is putting in a good performance again.
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So glad I got to see the game, Wow, didn't expect that, and still don't expect a win, but one more try and we get a point. More than anything just glad to see Wasps scoring trys.
Can the forwards keep it up. Watson a genuine threat out wide and de Jong going really well the other side.
Hope Cruse was not serious.
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That's good spirit. See if we can keep it going.
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I think Exe will come back but I'd be happy with coming away with a point or two.
I'll never turn a win down however!!!
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One more try then we ar least have a BP.
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COYW
Off for a stiff drink
Well done you guys
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Well, what a game!
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Did not see that coming!!!
Now 5th!
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I have been transported to a parallel universe, never saw that coming....shock is an understatement.
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FAAAHAHSJKDLJKLAFSJKDLAJKLFSJKLAJKLASDJKLAJKLAFSDL:JKFASDL:JKADF:LJKFASD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YESESSSSSSSSSSS!
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I have been transported to a parallel universe, never saw that coming....shock is an understatement.
This and sideways.
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Yaaaaaaaaasssssss
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So much pride in the shirt from the boys. Gabby and Shields best performances from them so far, gave Lima more attacking options too.
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WOW. all of a sudden the play offs are within reach!
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Outstanding defence.
Well played all.
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I certainly didn't see that coming. The start had me confirming I was right but oh so wrong. Great almost team performance fantastic. Now safe from relegation 😁
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Performance of the season by the sound of it. Good to get the monkey off our back of having never won at Sandy Park too.
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Brilliant. Great game. Superb defence. Joe Simpson with 25 tackles! I am going to be so sad to see Joe go but so happy that the boys are fighting so hard now. We all though what is Dai on when he was talking about top 4 when we were talking about relegation but huge credit to him and the team.
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Just checked my blood pressure and it's through the roof as is my heart rate. What a victory!
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Gaby really surprised me today, let's give him another year, I agree Shields was excellent...they all were.
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Best squad performance of the season. Really pleased for Gaby today.
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I posted that if we got 5 points it would be a miracle. Well miracles happen. Actually Exe looked unusually uncomfortable. Great team effort. Deserved it so much. Fantastic for the boys.
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Amazing defence summed up by stopping Exeter when they had line-outs near our line.
I didn’t know Nathan had a cunning kick in him.
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It was also a worthy victory, a strong Chiefs team, we won on merit #coyw
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Considering two very costly mistakes let them in twice we did well to pull ahead. Daly’s kicks out on the full, as a result Nowell scores. We turnover and instead of hoofing we play ourselves into trouble, Hughes gives away the penalty and leads to their third try.
We’re still making costly and inexperienced mistakes but our defence was awesome today and made up for that, good to see them forced into so many mistakes today too.
Absolute heroics in defence from Shields and Simmo
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Absolutely brilliant result. Best we've played all season and it was a joy to watch. Nath and Brad were immense and to a man everyone put a big shift in. Bring on the Estate Agents!!!!!
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Exeter fans on Sports Network unhappy about our time wasting with injuries. Also very unhappy that the referee took no account of the wind when he whistled them up for line outs not straight. That did make me laugh.
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Perhaps the wind works differently for teams from the West Midlands, I am on the phone to the National Physical Laboratory as we speak, they are flummoxed but have committed to working on an answer....
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Exeter fans on Sports Network unhappy about our time wasting with injuries. Also very unhappy that the referee took no account of the wind when he whistled them up for line outs not straight. That did make me laugh.
Everybody complains when they lose.
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That is without question our best performance of the season. Nathan was absolutely superb and deserved motm.
Watson, Gaby, shields, Simpson had extremely good games. Launchbury was brilliant as well.
Our defence was the best I’ve seen it for years, we were in Exeter’s face pretty much all game. Not the best first 15 mins then brilliant.
I love it when we say ‘you shall not pass’ fantastic.
If we keep that up then we will be difficult to beat
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I think this shows just how tight the league is this year. I’ve long maintained (in chats with friends, families and a handful of other rugby fans I work with) that it’s an incredibly competitive league and our issues have been small but compounded rather than fundamental...
- Fitness (or a lack of amongst the squad in general)
- Consistency of Teamsheet and combinations
- Confidence
- Mindset of Lima (interesting snippet this week on The Rugby Pod with him saying that he’s changed his mindset and that’s been the big limiting factor for him and something he’s looking forward to putting right at the end of the season and the beginning of next - He felt, wrongly or rightly, that rugby is rugby wherever you play and he’d be able to easily transfer his skillset and style from S15 to the Premiership but found it more intense, more physical, more competitive and increasingly unrelenting with a constant flow of competitions to navigate).
There’s a core group of naysayers on DWs who have constantly shouted down anyone who felt that we were in a relegation battle, or that Lima didn’t care and it might have been more than a physical commitment issue for him, or that Dai was a waste of space, or that our defence system was flawed rather than our commitment to the system etc etc...
It’s not to say it’s all rosy and the injury list continues to worry me, but we’ve had a couple of narrow losses in games we should have won - I think about Leicester away and Sale at home. Had we of won just one of those games (i.e. Alo’s try gets given by JP at Welford Road) and we’re sitting pretty in 4th.
We’ve also recruited pretty well (I think - I’m happy with Fekitoa and Minozzi as replacements for Daly and WLR) and hopefully by the start of the season some of the negative press that is looming is resolved (CCFC and the FCA investigation although i’m slightly more worried about the latter than the former).
The Quins game will be huge for us - aside from a bitter rivalry, there’s also the prospect that it could effectively be a play-off game in it’s own right for 4th place.
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I don't know what the final tally of key stats were but our defense, with some exceptions, was exceptional. We were up on them fast all game. One of the few games all season I saw this. Their lineout maul was also negated by the decision not to challenge in the air.
So, maybe Raggs knows the stats:
Tackles made
Tackles missed
Possession
Territory
I would bet we were well on the negative side of all of these.
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I don't know what the final tally of key stats were but our defense, with some exceptions, was exceptional. We were up on them fast all game. One of the few games all season I saw this. Their lineout maul was also negated by the decision not to challenge in the air.
So, maybe Raggs knows the stats:
Tackles made
Tackles missed
Possession
Territory
I would bet we were well on the negative side of all of these.
BT Sport stats on this tweet.
https://twitter.com/andNickMullins/status/1117467571643723776?s=19
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Chiefs v Wasps
Tackles made: 123 v 244
Tackles missed: 25 v 25
So, we made twice as many tackles, but, relative to the number of tackles made, missed half as many as Chiefs
Possession: 66% v 34%
You are not supposed to win with so little possession!
Lineouts Lost: 4 v 0
Lineout Steals: 0 v 1
This used to be one of our weak points.
Carries: 210 v 109
Metres made: 490 v 491
That shows our defense stunting their attacks.
Territory seem fairly even (58% of the game in our half), except we defended a lot in our 22 in the second half (25% of the half).
It tells a story of epic defense, hunger for turnovers, and line breaks. We still gave away too many penalties in our own half (0 v 4), but that is probably a reflection of all that defending. If you don't have the ball, you give away penalties.
Handling errors was in line with possession (18 v 9). Chiefs pride themselves on handling, so they will be disappointed with this.
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Looking at tries for and against over the past couple of seasons, with a pro-rata figure for this season.
Tries for: (TBP in ())
2016/17 89 (13)
2017/18 76 (10)
2018/19 57 (7)
Tries against:
2016/17 61
2017/18 57
2018/19 61
Defence seems much as it has been, possibly better if the tries-for decrease reflects less possession and so more time defending.
There has been a lot of disjointed stuff this year that has driven many up the wall, but I think we look like any team would if Cipriani, Gopperth and Wade (and maybe Eastmond
were suddenly removed from the equation, had a load of new players and then had no selection consistency because of injuries.
Yesterday things seemed to click, and hopefully the much maligned coaching team will get some plaudits as well.
It is just one match, but what a match, repeat this 3 times and our tickets for the finals might still prove to be a good buy.
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There also hasn't been a whipping boy team this season. Not even close. That can often lead to a few more tries scored.
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Did not see that coming!!!
Now 5th!
I didn't see it at all.. TV/Internet/Bt Sports package went down Sat morning.. for some reason the week-end support staff couldn't press a button like they did this morning to re-activate it.
I'm guessing the Premier Rugby site is where I'll be able to see a full replay online?
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Did not see that coming!!!
Now 5th!
I didn't see it at all.. TV/Internet/Bt Sports package went down Sat morning.. for some reason the week-end support staff couldn't press a button like they did this morning to re-activate it.
I'm guessing the Premier Rugby site is where I'll be able to see a full replay online?
Yeah, they usually have the full match after a couple of days.
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Did not see that coming!!!
Now 5th!
I didn't see it at all.. TV/Internet/Bt Sports package went down Sat morning.. for some reason the week-end support staff couldn't press a button like they did this morning to re-activate it.
I'm guessing the Premier Rugby site is where I'll be able to see a full replay online?
Yeah, they usually have the full match after a couple of days.
It's up there now - or should I say it's now down on my laptop to watch later. (thanks video downloader)
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Do you have a link Roger?
As a point of interest for myself.. I missed not having the internet moreso than not having the TV package. I wonder if any others would now find that to be the case?
I managed to tether my phone to my computer but apart from email, vpn for work, everything else online ate my phone data allowance up.
I resorted to buying a sunday newspaper even!
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I use downloadhelper for firefox.
Click on the video in the Premiership site (https://www.premiershiprugby.com/video/full-match-exeter-chiefs-v-wasps-round-19/)
Enable Flash video (or else it just hangs) when it starts click the video downloader (VD) link, it tries to load and play "chunks" at a time, which is no good, but go to the bottom of the list of files that VD shows and select the F4F 1280 x 720 (or whatever quality you want). It then downloads ok.
It is, unfortunately a Flash file, but can be converted to MP4 or AVI to play on things like mobile phones, or some TVs.
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Exeter fans on Sports Network unhappy about our time wasting with injuries. Also very unhappy that the referee took no account of the wind when he whistled them up for line outs not straight. That did make me laugh.
Ha, ha, ha.
Say more things like this! Just makes it sweeter really, considering they embody "illegal and gets away with it"....
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Exeter fans on Sports Network unhappy about our time wasting with injuries. Also very unhappy that the referee took no account of the wind when he whistled them up for line outs not straight. That did make me laugh.
Ha, ha, ha.
Say more things like this! Just makes it sweeter really, considering they embody "illegal and gets away with it"....
This is precisely what I thought when I saw those comments too.
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Picked this quote up from the Exeter board as the reasons for yesterday's result (I've saved these in my little book of excuses):
"Hands too cold to catch the ball,
not taking advantage ... of the wind,
poor inconsistent refereeing,
blatant time wasting,
pretend injuries badly affected the flow of the game,
dirty play going unpunished,
dog ate the paper that the game plan was written on."
Priceless! (I made the last one up by the way....)
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Can anyone enlighten me. What dirty play?? Nathans "no arms" tackle was fine, even Austin Healey thought so. Certainly only a penalty & nothing more. Did something else happen I didn't see? It looked like a hard but fair game to me.
As for poor inconsistent refereeing, I didn't see any of that either, although pretty much all referees are inconsistent!
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Listening to the commentary, Healey said Chiefs were cheating with some of their plays, so think the Chiefs fans need to look closer to home,
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A mate, chiefs fan, is visiting me tomorrow, we’ll have sensible discussion, he’s a big lad but he’s out of shape, and for me, it’s a living. ;)
Seriously tho, i’m Interested to hear his take as he was there. Too much time wasting and not allowing Exocet ruck clearances maybe. Who knows.
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I thought Luke Pierce was pretty consistent overall and had a good game.
There was one passage of play however when we were camped out on the Exeter try line (about 50 minutes and just before Nathan's disallowed try) where I felt he was very forgiving of Exeter disrupting the beakdown. It was somewhere here where Armand (????) got himself on the wrong side of the ruck and "accidentally" played the ball. This drew Healy's comment.
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I thought Luke Pierce was pretty consistent overall and had a good game.
There was one passage of play however when we were camped out on the Exeter try line (about 50 minutes and just before Nathan's disallowed try) where I felt he was very forgiving of Exeter disrupting the beakdown. It was somewhere here where Armand (????) got himself on the wrong side of the ruck and "accidentally" played the ball. This drew Healy's comment.
That drove me mad. Wrong side of the ruck, on the floor, hits the ball forwards disrupting decent attacking ball. We didn't even get a knock on advantage.
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Well, I will admit to seeing more dodgy decisions and foul play when we lose! I guess I have had more opportunities to get used to it than Exeter supporters, so don't feel the need to post on bulletin boards! Enjoying this though!
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Thought Pearce (sp?) was very generous to them at scrum time to start with.....
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I've been a long time critic of the reffing of the breakdown, overall, it wasn't too bad a performance but I think Exeter were allowed a "certain latitude" whilst playing off the floor, which I thought we weren't and certainly one penalty awarded against us at scrum time went the wrong way
That said, we always think the ref is against us.....
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That said, we always think the ref is against us.....
It does feel like there’s an increasing shift towards blaming Referees at times although I tend find it’s increased amongst crowds at games, rather than from those watching on TV - I certainly feel more aggrieved watching games live when perhaps perfectly plausible explanations for decisions are apparent, but we don’t get the benefit of being exposed to them when in the stands (unless you have the reflink device).
I think this year the odd poor decision has hit us harder than it would have in previous seasons with our confidence down, it’s also led to us a couple of times losing our heads - Sale at home a prime example.
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My personal bugbear is the breakdown and (lack) of reffing at the ruck - I do think we've been a little unlucky at times at the breakdown, Sunday no exception. Probably "well done" Exeter, but another ref would have been perhaps more focused on hands and "falling" the wrong side - but only my opinion
Ref in the Glaws/Bath game was excellent as he made it clear to the players which cut most of the hands in the air stuff we often see - and I so think that's probably the best way of keeping the game "explainable" as seen
I do think offside and fwd passes bug crowds a lot too
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I do think offside and fwd passes bug crowds a lot too
IMHO I think those two things alone cause the most clashes between fans.
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I do think offside and fwd passes bug crowds a lot too
IMHO I think those two things alone cause the most clashes between fans.
Aren't they more the responsibility of the assistant referees ( I still think of them as touch judges) than the ref himself?
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I do think offside and fwd passes bug crowds a lot too
IMHO I think those two things alone cause the most clashes between fans.
Aren't they more the responsibility of the assistant referees ( I still think of them as touch judges) than the ref himself?
Yes I think so
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This is puzzling as certain Refs use them differently. Not too sure that should happen but on Reflink sometimes you hear interjections and other times silence. Weird and should be made clear.
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My personal bugbear is the breakdown and (lack) of reffing at the ruck - I do think we've been a little unlucky at times at the breakdown, Sunday no exception. Probably "well done" Exeter, but another ref would have been perhaps more focused on hands and "falling" the wrong side - but only my opinion
Ref in the Glaws/Bath game was excellent as he made it clear to the players which cut most of the hands in the air stuff we often see - and I so think that's probably the best way of keeping the game "explainable" as seen
I do think offside and fwd passes bug crowds a lot too
Funnily enough, I think crowds think there's a lot more offsides and forwards passes than there really are quite often.
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Offside, not straight lineout throw ins and forward passes must be clearly so. If they are not clearly so, then they are not at all.
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I do think offside and fwd passes bug crowds a lot too
IMHO I think those two things alone cause the most clashes between fans.
Aren't they more the responsibility of the assistant referees ( I still think of them as touch judges) than the ref himself?
Yes I think so
More often than not the ref is facing the ruck with his back facing the backline so generally its the touch judge that is the only option but they seem very reluctant to give offsides.
I think they get duped into believing a backline is fine as long as they are all in a straightline when they start to move. I've noticed the backline takes their poistion from the 1st defender standing at the side of the ruck.. but quite often that player isn't behind the rear most point at the ruck anyway.
Its such a basic law to enforce but not doing so can often strangle the game
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Its such a basic law to enforce but not doing so can often strangle the game
Exactly & rather than enforce the existing laws World Rugby seem obsessed with fiddling with the game.
Its the same with rucks, enforce the current laws properly & consistently before changing them.
It might be a good idea to speak to current players about whats wrong with the game as well, after all they are playing it every week!
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Its such a basic law to enforce but not doing so can often strangle the game
Exactly & rather than enforce the existing laws World Rugby seem obsessed with fiddling with the game.
Its the same with rucks, enforce the current laws properly & consistently before changing them.
It might be a good idea to speak to current players about whats wrong with the game as well, after all they are playing it every week!
I am assuming some of these law changes are to pander to an American audience.
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I do think offside and fwd passes bug crowds a lot too
IMHO I think those two things alone cause the most clashes between fans.
Aren't they more the responsibility of the assistant referees ( I still think of them as touch judges) than the ref himself?
I was kinda referring to the reffing team, but yes - and just looking on TV, offside is so rarely called.
But my main bugbears are at the breakdown - looking at a lot of SH rugby - its almost like a different game at times.
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I have to admit, I think we manged the clock very 'effectively' in the last stages of the game. I can sympathise with Chiefs fans on this matter, as I too would have been enraged by it if it were happening to us. However, I think all teams do this and it should fall at the feet of the ref to sort. I think Healey pointed out at one stage that we used up 90 secs just to reset a scrum... well then the refs need to get coy to it and speed up the process (without jeopardising safety) or give free kicks against teams for not resetting in a certain time frame.
But as others have said (as well as Healey), I think Exeter got away with a few things in the game so can't feel too aggrieved.
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I've just watched the game again with the benefit of hindsight - 1st half last night and 2nd this morning. I must admit Exe did not look anything special, excluding the first 30 mins. After that our defence was formidable and never seemed to tire. It was like looking at the Wasps of old. We ended up making twice as many tackles as Exe. Chiefs definitely missed Cordero's rapier like attacks after he went off quite early. Interestingly there were no penalty kicks at goal by either side. It wasn't until the 67th minute that Exe first had a go at mauling it over from a lineout. We were penalised at the first one for going in early but we were already driving the Chiefs hard towards the touchline. before the ref blew up. They had another go after the penalty. Once again we drove it hard towards the touchline and they had to release the ball and play it. They eventually scored after a long series of pick and goes. They had another 5 metre lineout in the 76th minute and once again we nullified it by driving it very hard to the touchline. It was clear that we had thought long and hard and have practiced how to beat what has been up to now a major point gatherer for Chiefs. That was three 5 metre lineouts which they tried to drive over and got nowhere. Exe have Quins at Sandy Park next game. It will be interesting to see how their trademark ploy gets on then. It was obvious how we were defeating it and Baxter will already be making plans to tweak it. I can't see Quins getting much if anything from that game.
I thought Pearce had a pretty good game though I thought his decision to penalise Nathan for a no arms tackle late in the game was wrong as did the commentators. I don't want to single out any of our players - all played their part in a fantastic win which nobody saw coming. This was the first defeat at home for Chiefs in the league in over a year.
We have been criticised on the Chiefs board for dirty play. Can't say I saw any by either side. We also have come into a bit of flak for time wasting but one Chiefs' poster said that the way to nullify that is by being ahead on the board. Very true.
10 points from 2 games - one against the runaway league leaders at their home ground. 8 tries to four. It was a very hard game for both sides. Hope all our knocks clear up in the week off. The estate agents have a tough one on Saturday and then we play them at the Ricoh the following weekend. Can't wait. Bring it on.