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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Tier 2 Update - RFU
« on: April 25, 2024, 09:32:52 AM »
Yes, and don't forget that Coventry were the predominant team in England in the 70s, so have a legacy of support from then - and Bedford weren't so far behind them, at that stage and in the pre-Premiership years, so have retained their base support as well. For Coventry, read Leicester as a rough equivalent; for Bedford, read Gloucester. Either club would survive in the Premiership - if they ever could get there - at least as well as Newcastle, say, in terms of a fan income base.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: April 13, 2024, 03:53:45 PM »
Will Porter two tries so far for Quins in Champions Cup quarter final at Bordeaux.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: January 16, 2024, 07:03:19 PM »
Yes, agree completely, in fact - a really good try. However, it was just about the only time I can remember in the game that he mixed it up and used a step - something that Tom Willis used to be adept at. Most of the rest of the time it was just bish-bash-bosh-red card!

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: January 16, 2024, 04:23:33 PM »
We just ended up keeping BT when our contract came up because its offer was as good as any other, and it included TNT: this has meant rather more rugby on offer to us than we'd been expecting, so we've been keeping a bit of an eye on ex-Waspies like Alfie over the last few weeks. (Some really good good matches, by the way - just a shame we've no skin in the game any more!)

I've got to say, I'm tending towards Wonky's view here: there's something for me that's not quite right about Alfie's approach. OK, he was clearly unwell the week before last - came on late, had an impact for 5 mins then vanished until throwing up on camera at the end - so nothing to see there, really. But on Saturday, he just wasn't always very bright. For a man who exploded onto the scene by dint of the fact that no-one knew what on earth he was going to do next - bash it up, throw a dummy, kick for touch, step 3 tacklers - he seems to have become quite one-dimensional. All he does do now is head for contact. Billy V 2.0, as it were. OK, he makes yards usually - but, as has been predicted since his Bloxham days, his opponents are wise to this now, and at least as big (and, by the looks of him) a lot fitter as well, so nothing much results usually. His try came when he added a step into what he was doing.

Since the Eddie days, he seems to have been channelled into this pattern of play, which is rather a lot less than he initially promised. I'm not sure he's the right player for only being an enforcer: he's actually a bit clumsy because he has to try too hard. Hence the two transgressions at the weekend, both of which quite possibly merited a red card on their own. Now one thing he's not is an intentionally dirty player - but things surely aren't right if he is not correcting this week by week. Having seen a fair bit of him recently, I am beginning to wonder if it's a bit of a theme - and maybe, hence Wonky's observation.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ex Wasps signing for new clubs
« on: December 02, 2023, 03:17:56 PM »
Battle of the young Wasps 8s this afternoon - Barbeary vs Fisilau. Both playing really well. Also Elliot Stooke putting in his usual shift.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Top 14 Final
« on: June 17, 2023, 09:52:08 PM »
2 Ntmack howlers let La Roc back in, then a moment of Ntmack magic wins the game for les Toulousaines...

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Top 14 Final
« on: June 17, 2023, 09:29:28 PM »
Heathen - are you in and watching? - if not, just try link to TV5 from your search engine? - think the link above is for tv5 europe, which works here in the UK

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From today's Grauniad:

Historic English clubs cling on to their heritage as many worry that the RFU does not care about preserving them at all
Plenty of arguments are raging in rugby union and the next big battle is for the soul of the English game. There is recognition on all sides that something has to change. As Bristol?s director of rugby, Pat Lam, said last week, it has become a source of global curiosity. ?Everyone around the world knows England have the most rugby players and the most resources,? he said. ?They?re envious. So how are we struggling? You have to ask the question.?
What suits Lam and his club?s wealthy owner, Steve Lansdown, however, does not necessarily suit a Premiership rival like Newcastle, whose playing budget for next season is understood to have shrunk appreciably. Where in all this are the most fundamental of questions? What is best for the health of the whole game, not just the high-profile apex of the pyramid, and what, exactly, is ultimately the aim of the entire exercise?
This sort of debate is not exclusive to England, of course. It is raging in Wales, Australia and pretty much everywhere else outside France and Ireland, who currently seem to have multiple important boxes ticked. It also clearly has to encompass women?s rugby and cannot be viewed in isolation from the player welfare imperatives that are shaping the sport?s future.
Ultimately, though, it boils down to deciding what matters most. Nowhere is that debate currently more starkly evident than in England?s second-tier Championship, full of historic clubs trying to preserve what is left of their proud heritage. It is reaching the point where many of them are wondering if the Rugby Football Union actually cares about preserving them at all.
Listen, for example, to Nick Johnston, chief executive of Coventry. As he said this week, he genuinely believes the governing body has been trying ?to run them into the ground?. Johnston has been on both sides of the fence, having previously worked at Sale, Northampton and Worcester, but is beginning to reach the end of his tether. Clubs like Coventry, he says, are simply seeking to do what they have done since 1874. ?We?re not trying to solve the political situation in the Middle East,? he says. ?We?re just trying to promote the game.?
Because, as he emphasises, if 149-year-old clubs such as Coventry are left to wither on the vine, it will decimate the second tier of English rugby, supposedly the springboard to the top level. Where does the RFU plan to train its next professional players, coaches, referees and even administrators? Is a world without Premiership relegation really a better one? Can England now sustain only, at most, 10 professional clubs and, if so, how smart is it to cut them off from their feeder roots?
The counter-arguments are familiar enough. There is insufficient money in the central pot. The Championship clubs do not currently attract enough supporters to be viable professional businesses. But then you listen to Johnston as he outlines his mission statement at Coventry: ?One of our biggest strategic objectives is to become the best professional community-centric club in the country.
?What is the purpose of English rugby? Our purpose is to create the next generation of players, coaches and administrators to go and help England rugby succeed at the top of the world. I care about this massively. I really do believe in this league. It is the foundation of us growing the game.?
Accordingly, the club runs its own academy and are excited about an 18-year-old fly-half coming through the ranks. Next month they will be launching Coventry Netball, with plans to build a hotel also well advanced. Currently third in the league, with Wasps having vacated the city, they see no reason why they cannot continue to grow. ?We have ambition but it comes with growth at the right time, not investing aimlessly,? Johnston says.
The most serious threat to their future, however, appears to be their own national union. As newly promoted Caldy discovered at their first meeting, annual central funding is already so minimal that, after deducting insurance and travel costs, barely ?40,000 remains. There is talk of reverting to two regional leagues but Johnston believes this would be a disaster for England?s most obvious talent pathway. ?I think we?re the glue if they get it right,? he says. ?I want our league to stay connected with the grassroots. I?d like a women?s Championship as well.?
Championship insiders believe Premiership clubs should have to pay for their players to enjoy game time in the Championship. In recent weeks London Scottish have fielded more Harlequins-registered loanees than they have their own players. There is also another proposal for an eight-team second tier doing the rounds: if the biggest Championship clubs ? Ealing, Jersey, Coventry, Cornish Pirates, Doncaster, Bedford and Nottingham plus, potentially, Wasps ? all put in ?1m apiece initially, might the RFU and Premier Rugby then match it? ?You could make it part of the PGA [Professional Game Agreement] to fund a sustainable pathway league,? says Simon Halliday, part of the Championship negotiating team. ?Incentivise us to play younger players, fund it properly and then you?ve got half a chance of rebuilding some of the development pathways that are totally broken.?
If that is not the plan, Halliday believes the RFU should be upfront about it. ?They would be destroying proper rugby heartlands that allow young players to develop. But if they think the Championship is not a pathway, then be honest and say so. At the moment they?re just saying: ?Keep going lads, but it?s going to take you years.?? The battle for the English rugby?s soul is not quite over yet.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Well That was fun...
« on: January 24, 2023, 04:13:17 PM »
So - the website has risen from the ashes. Would that we had a rugby club that could do the same! Thanks, VV.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / David Duckham dies
« on: January 11, 2023, 01:44:23 AM »
Truly one of the greats. One solo effort from his own 25 to beat most of the Rosslyn Park (?) team twice and score under the posts, at Coundon Rd in 1971 (?), was perhaps my single most enduring memory of rugby in those halcyon days. Not to mention THAT dummy in the Baa-Baas match.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Eddie Butler. RIP.
« on: September 15, 2022, 08:19:34 PM »
A lovely man, a great voice and a wonderful way with words.

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Jackle Penalties
« on: June 07, 2021, 01:56:45 AM »
Pedantic point: "Jackal", spelt as in the opportunistic scavenging animal. ::)

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Ollie Thorley.
« on: March 11, 2021, 04:30:01 PM »
Two late thoughts:

Firstly, since the implication is that, as a head-on tackler, you must no longer go into contact upright, does this mean the end of the choke tackle?

And secondly, instinct tells me that trying to go low to tackle in a head-on situation might easily lead to getting a knee to the head - is that not at least as dangerous as being punched and likely to lead to serious concussion danger for the tackler?

Just wondering!

 

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Wasps Rugby Discussion / The Whistle Blower
« on: March 02, 2021, 08:02:10 PM »
Is it just me, endless lockdown, and feeling jaded, or has rugby become almost unwatchable now? There are so many reasons why a referee has to blow for something that there seems precious little enjoyment in the game any more. It's so technical - we just shift from one infringement to another. Teams simply play to catch each other out, and progress up the pitch using penalties. Penalty after penalty, after scrum leading to penalty, into lineout into rolling maul into collapsed maul into penalty, and on and on. Yuerrgghh! The referee has become the leading player on the pitch. Watching dear old Hamish followed by Pascal on Saturday was very instructive for petty court lawyers, perhaps, but a death to anyone who might once have thought that rugby was a beautiful game. OK, I grew up on a diet of David Duckham running rings round Coundon Road - and, most memorably, on THAT day at Cardiff Arms Park - but there didn't seem much left of that sort of thing going on at the weekend. At least in the other so-called, self-styled Beautiful Game, the ball is play more often than not. Now, if we get more than a minute or two continuous action, it's deemed "breathless". What happened - and why does it seem so fundamentally dysfunctional now? (Answers on a postcard, please!!)

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