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This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« on: March 12, 2022, 02:46:38 PM »
Schofield in The Telegraph expressing what all fans are feeling….

Decoding the words of Eddie Jones: From a suspicious exchange with a barista to disowning his own book

Eddie Jones began Thursday’s press conference recounting a suspicious exchange with a local barista and ended it by disowning his own book.

As Andy Farrell commented, the England head coach’s comments provide a rich seam of entertainment. “I love reading them,” the Ireland head coach said. “It is great for the game.”

Unravelling Jones’ contradictions, however, is a far harder exercise.

“I went to the coffee shop yesterday and the girl says, ‘That Irish team must be good, all their ex-players think they’re going to win the game and all the ex-England players think they’re going to win the game. They must be a pretty good team. How you feeling?’ I said. 'Just give me the coffee please'.”

All that was missing from this yarn was, “And then everyone in the coffee shop cheered”.

According to Jones, everyone from the media, the bookmakers, every past Ireland international and even the baristas of Bagshot have written England off. This is classic Eddie, who you feel must have been reincarnated from a medieval knight such is his propensity to creating a siege mentality.

Jones has deployed much the same rhetorical devices - “chasing Ireland down the street” - as he did in the build-up to the 2019 semi-final against New Zealand. Clearly he feels that England can only perform at their best when their backs are placed firmly against the wall. “My job is to put our team in the best mindset it can be for the game,” Jones said. “That’s my job.”

Is this a successful tactic? On the one hand, everyone is focusing their attention on Jones rather than the players. On the other, Scotland were also “red-hot favourites” against England in the opening round (when they most certainly were not) and duly won anyway. Players such as Joe Marler and Maro Itoje seemed nonplussed to be informed they were underdogs (which they officially are), but there is no mistaking the stakes of this weekend’s match. Not only are both teams’ title hopes on the line but so too is the credibility of Jones’ ‘New England’ project.

Speaking of which.

"It's not a linear progression. There are little ups and downs. Particularly when you have got a young team like ours - a young nine, 10 and 15.”

That combination of Harry Randall, Marcus Smith and Freddie Steward has 20 caps. Johnny Sexton, the Ireland fly-half, has 103 by himself. You understand Jones’ point, but it is one he labours at every opportunity and England are hardly short of experience elsewhere. Their squad’s cumulative total of 924 caps is second to only Ireland’s 990 among this weekend’s Six Nations teams. And if that 9-10-15 feels inexperienced it is because the half-backs especially should have been blooded earlier.

As for linear progression, most England supporters are broadly patient, but two defeats in the next two games would signal a definite regression.

“As we’ve spoken about, they (Ireland) are a very cohesive team. 80 per cent of the team train for 11 months of the year.”

Cohesion has been the buzzword of choice for Jones this week, pointing enviously towards the ready-made Leinster combinations that Farrell can plug into his Ireland team.

But cohesion is not simply a luxury available to countries with five or fewer professional clubs. It can be built upon continuity of selection. Yet in the midfield - the combination that probably needs the most cohesion of any on the pitch - Jones has changed his 10-12-13 partnership for the 11th consecutive game with Joe Marchant replacing Elliot Daly at outside centre.

Some of that chopping and changing is down to availability, notably the absences of Owen Farrell and Manu Tuilagi, but it is also partly a matter of Jones’ choice. So far Marchant’s Championship has gone wing, centre, dropped, recalled to the bench (after Tuilagi’s hamstring flared up) and now back to centre. Is it any wonder that England’s attack has looked such a dog’s dinner at times?

As Martin Gleeson, England’s attack coach, pointed out this week, players need time to adjust to each other’s little idiosyncrasies such as Smith’s goosestep. How can they grow that understanding if they are constantly adapting to new partners?

“I’ll give you one tip. Never believe what’s written. You don’t even know if I wrote that book, someone else could have written that book.”

In the most bizarre exchange, Jones was asked whether he has conducted a pre-mortem. This is an exercise he details in his book, Leadership, published last year when he asked players to anticipate the gruesome headlines that would accompany a heavy defeat. Here he apparently disowned those remarks and appeared to suggest he had no hand in the book’s contents, which will be wonderful news for the publishers who paid him such a handsome advance.

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2022, 03:16:26 PM »
Indeed. The we’re a young team mantra is an insult to people’s intelligence.

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2022, 03:46:54 PM »
Two things spring to mind, firstly Jones' record over the years seems to include a number of examples where he's made a difference to teams, based on control and providing a plan to a team that had - perhaps - underachieved. But that initial positivity has tended to fade over time as the dressing room is lost. This can be seen with his time with England - but he has the advantage of being able to keep selecting players who agree with him/won't rock the boast as there are so many. Compared to say Australia. But the basic lack of ability to man manage has always caught up with him....

Secondly, the inexperience line....Smith may not have played a lot of international yet, but over 70 Prem games over several seasons and a Prem Final and Euro games etc - and the lack of experience in the team in vital position is by choice. The choice of not making changes post RWC 19 and the choice of picking players like Chessum this season and Martin last who've little actual experience and at the time, nowhere near international standard. Martin had only played 6 Prems ever before ending up with England...

Add to that the turn over of staff and it does suggest a head coach who does seem to have an issue with people.....

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2022, 05:12:31 PM »
Two things spring to mind, firstly Jones' record over the years seems to include a number of examples where he's made a difference to teams, based on control and providing a plan to a team that had - perhaps - underachieved. But that initial positivity has tended to fade over time as the dressing room is lost. This can be seen with his time with England - but he has the advantage of being able to keep selecting players who agree with him/won't rock the boast as there are so many. Compared to say Australia. But the basic lack of ability to man manage has always caught up with him....

Secondly, the inexperience line....Smith may not have played a lot of international yet, but over 70 Prem games over several seasons and a Prem Final and Euro games etc - and the lack of experience in the team in vital position is by choice. The choice of not making changes post RWC 19 and the choice of picking players like Chessum this season and Martin last who've little actual experience and at the time, nowhere near international standard. Martin had only played 6 Prems ever before ending up with England...

Add to that the turn over of staff and it does suggest a head coach who does seem to have an issue with people.....

Second all of that. On the money.

And watching England right now, you can’t excuse high tackles like that.
Ewels isn’t better than Launchbury or others.
Not sure why he’s in the top 2 in the country.
Good player, but not elite.
What we do 100% know….Joe Launchbury would never have made that high tackle.

Simples, Eddie.

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2022, 05:16:26 PM »
I do have some sympathy for our ex-Wasp, Martin Gleeson.
To invest in this style of free-formation attacking rugby, he needs everyone on the pitch.

He’s going to get bagged if we don’t function.
Tough on the guy.

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2022, 05:24:12 PM »


Eddie has all his scapegoats lined up.

New coach with new visions that aren't working

Captain and talisman out injured

New young scrum half not playing to script

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2022, 05:33:54 PM »


Eddie has all his scapegoats lined up.

New coach with new visions that aren't working

Captain and talisman out injured

New young scrum half not playing to script

I hear you.

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2022, 05:55:42 PM »
To be brutally honest that was major league brainlessness from Ewels.

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2022, 06:33:14 PM »
I hope Eddie doesn’t get a let off for this one because we were down to 14. We didn’t ask any questions at all of Ireland in attack other than Steward contesting up and unders.

Did not see anything of Gleason’s new style attack. Ewells was silly, Randall not good enough, Malins was anonymous as were most of the backs in attack, harsh perhaps on Dombrandt getting hauled off, back row not offering much against the class of Ireland’s

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2022, 06:45:22 PM »
Without wanting to take anything away from England's gutsy performance Ireland reminded me of how we often play against 14 men: brainless. If it hadn't been for England's fatigue in the last 10 minutes England might well have held them.

I know teams practice going down to 14 men, but do they ever practice playing against 14 men?

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2022, 06:48:55 PM »
Why have only 1 flanker in the whole squad. Ben Youngs box kicking is terrible, max Malins is not a international winger, wouldn’t mind seeing him at full back.

I doubt Ewels will play for England ever again, absolutely stupid tackle.

A lot of heart from England but stupid coaching decisions by picking the wrong players who can’t handle the big occasions

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2022, 06:52:50 PM »
I just thought England were poor. Shouldn’t confuse crowd noise for quality. Message to Jones - have a look how the scrum went with Lawes playing where he should. Marchant was excellent as was Itoje. At full back am I alone in thinking Steward catches well but offers zero elsewhere? Great to see Launch back in the mix but ultimately Ireland lost their heads and made England look a bit better than they are.

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2022, 07:06:57 PM »
How come the pundits at the end  of the match were praising  up the losers as if they were the winners?  If you hadn't seen  the end of the game you'd have got completely the wrong team as winner.  Personally, the actual result was the one  I'd hoped for.  ( ... and I never mentioned the score) 

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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2022, 07:17:43 PM »
For the record: Ireland scored 4 tries and England scored none.
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Re: This sums up Eddie Jones very nicely…
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2022, 07:22:22 PM »
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I doubt Ewels will play for England ever again, absolutely stupid tackle.

About 30s prior to that Smith went in to a tackle on the  TV nearside wing. He was fortunate there was no clash of heads otherwise we'd have been a man down even earlier.