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World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« on: March 21, 2019, 10:01:07 AM »
I will C&P the article later (from The Times).

More laws on safety and introducing the RL 40-20 (to be called 50-20 in RU) kick to touch whereby the side kicking to touch get the lineout put in. Rationale is to reduce numbers in midfield defensive line by forcing more players having to defned in back field.

Edit : Now posted below.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2019, 11:45:04 AM by Heathen »

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2019, 10:05:45 AM »
Thanks, Heathen. Looking forward to reading it.
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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2019, 10:11:28 AM »
I will C&P the article later (from The Times).

More laws on safety and introducing the RL 40-20 (to be called 50-20 in RU) kick to touch whereby the side kicking to touch get the lineout put in. Rationale is to reduce numbers in midfield defensive line by forcing more players having to defned in back field.

Good idea. If they want to reduce the number of midfield defenders then they could also try reducing the number of players by a couple on each side...

Seriously though, I think that's a good idea. Brainless kicking will become more dangerous as there will be more defenders to run it back, while simultaneously skillful kicking will have a greater reward. And there will be a man or two fewer in the midfield (or out wide for teams that can get the ball out there).

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2019, 10:14:14 AM »
So is this about kicking to touch from within the 22?
If you're in your 22 and kick to touch, you get the throw in at the lineout? Is that even if it goes into touch on the full?
Does the "50" part of "20/50" mean that it has to go beyond half way?

I'm not familiar with the rugby league law

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2019, 10:15:39 AM »
I will C&P the article later (from The Times).

More laws on safety and introducing the RL 40-20 (to be called 50-20 in RU) kick to touch whereby the side kicking to touch get the lineout put in. Rationale is to reduce numbers in midfield defensive line by forcing more players having to defned in back field.

Does the ball have to roll in to touch for this new 50 - 20.. or can it go out on the full John?

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2019, 10:23:37 AM »
so you kick to touch, get the line out & catch & drive......thats hardly going to make the game more exciting is it?

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2019, 10:53:03 AM »
Or just maybe they could leave things alone so I can enjoy the game I love. If I wanted to watch League I'd watch League.

Desperate tinkering to make Union "more appealing", hmmmm, why not make the ball round and change the laws so you can't touch it with your hands????

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2019, 11:38:32 AM »
This would be interesting to read as I don't quite fully understand it yet.

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2019, 11:43:40 AM »
World Rugby is to consider a package of new law proposals to be trialled after this autumn’s World Cup, including a radical idea borrowed from rugby league that would allow an attacking team to kick the ball out and get the throw-in at the lineout.

The new law would be an adaptation of rugby league’s “40-20” kick. The union version would be a “50-22”, whereby the attacking team would be rewarded with the lineout throw if the ball was kicked from within their own half and bounced into touch inside their opponent’s 22-metre line. At present, the opposition get the lineout throw-in if a team kicks the ball out.

The theory behind the change is that the defending team would have to drop players into the back field to cover the kicks, rather than having 14 in a line, thereby creating more space in the defensive line and reducing the number of head-on collisions.

World Rugby, the sport’s governing body, will discuss the idea of using television footage to review all yellow cards during the ten-minute sin-bin period and upgrading them to red if necessary.

The recommendations were among eight firm proposals generated at a three-day symposium convened by World Rugby to analyse the state of the game and ways to make it safer.

Four players died in France in the space of eight months, between May last year and January, and the research shows that injury severity is rising in the professional game. “We have to find a better way to protect our players,” one delegate said.

Creating space on the field and fatigue in the players are seen as a key tools to drive down the force and number of collisions in the game, which have doubled since 2010. Players now weigh an average of 12kg more than they did at the first World Cup in 1987.

The concern, which is particularly strong in France, is that the onus of the game has shifted to winning the advantage line through force, rather than prioritising movement and attacking space. One delegate talked about the need to change the philosophy of rugby.

Brett Gosper, the World Rugby chief executive, said: “Rather than just look at the laws and whether it has a player welfare impact, we have tried to devise laws that have a direct player welfare impact. That’s the first time we’ve looked at it in that sense.

“Some of the experiments we are seeing here about opening up the game and creating more space can limit the number of collision events and therefore drive some of the statistics down.”

World Rugby believes that stronger sanctions are required to change player behaviour and drive down the height of the tackle. The theory behind the television review process was that it would lead to more red cards being given and a stronger message being sent to all players at all levels of the game.

World Rugby’s law review group, chaired by John Jeffrey, the former Scotland flanker who won 40 caps, will meet in May to consider all the ideas that have been submitted and those approved can be introduced in selected competitions as a trial from January 1.

Eddie Jones, the England head coach, believes that the number of replacements should be limited while the laws review group is also expected to discuss implementing a countdown clock to speed up the time taken for scrums.

How proposed change would work
Many teams put 14 players in the defensive line, with just the full back deeper to deal with kicks. Defensive teams accept that if the kick bounces out they will get the lineout

Under the proposal, if the ball is kicked from a team’s own half and goes out in the opposition 22 after bouncing, the attacking side will get the lineout. As a result, defending teams may leave all of their back three deeper and possibly even the scrum half part way back to cope with kicks over the top

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2019, 11:47:47 AM »
Fuller copy from the Times :

orld Rugby’s three-day symposium to analyse the state of the game and debate the safest direction for its future opened in Paris on Monday with a moment of silence to remember the four French players who had died in the past year and an address from Roxana Maracineanu, the minister for sport.

Her message to the high-powered delegates who had gathered in Marcoussis reinforced what Bernard Laporte, president of the French Rugby Federation (FFR), had said in December after the death of Nicolas Chauvin, the 18-year-old Stade Francais flanker.

“Our game has to fundamentally evolve so that rugby becomes a game of movement and avoiding collisions,” Laporte had said. “With that it’s important to change the mentality of players and change the laws, most notably to do with tackling.”

For three days at the headquarters of French rugby, that issue was debated by some of the leading coaches, referees, recently retired players, club representatives, doctors and sports scientists. Those present included Ian Foster, the All Blacks assistant coach, Jean de Villiers, the former South Africa captain, and Dr Simon Kemp, the RFU’s head of medicine.

The game was broken down as analysts outlined its present shape: how there are five times more rucks and mauls than in 1987, when New Zealand won the first World Cup, how the number of tackles had doubled in a decade. “We have to change the philosophy of the game,” one delegate said.

By the end of a wide-ranging debate, a package of eight law proposals, designed to reduce the number of collisions and persuade players to tackle lower, had been submitted for further investigation by World Rugby’s law review group.

The proposal that gained the most traction was an idea borrowed from rugby league. The 13-man code has had a huge influence on rugby union over the past two decades, chiefly in the organisation and structure of defences. Many of the best specialist defence coaches in the world, from Phil Larder with England in 2003 to Andy Farrell, now with Ireland, and Shaun Edwards with Wales, came from rugby league.

It is perhaps no surprise, then, that rugby union has turned to league for a solution to fix the issue of defences suffocating the pitch for space, with 14 players often strung out in a line.

In 1997, the NRL in Australia introduced the 40-20 kick; the rugby union proposal tabled in Paris is for a 50-22. The theory behind it is that if Team A kick from their own half and the ball bounces into touch inside Team B’s 22, Team A would get the lineout throw.

Consequently, Team B would have to populate the back field by dropping their wings to guard the touchlines. If the scrum half then had to sweep in behind the front line of defence, to prevent the dink over the top, then three players have been removed from the defensive line.

If there was a separate measure designed to draw defenders towards the breakdown, the field could be opened up more, creating more space in which to attack. As Laporte said, a contact sport but also a game of movement that would reduce the number of head-on collisions.

It has the potential to alter the way that teams attack and defend. The power game will always be a key element, of course, but it may tilt the balance a little bit back towards skill over size.

That is the theory anyway. This process is at an embryonic stage. All the ideas will go forward to World Rugby’s law reviews group, which will meet in May for a deep analysis, to try to work out the unintended consequences. If approved for trial from January 1, World Rugby would then need to find a competition willing to adopt them.

One of the other trial proposals centred on the need to be strict with sanctions to change player behaviour by reviewing all yellow cards during the ten-minute period of the sin-bin and upgrading them to a red if necessary.

World Rugby wants to roll out its trial of a high-tackle warning system, which was credited with halving concussion at last year’s World Rugby Under-20 Championship, into an elite competition. The system gives a post-match warning to a defender who has made an upright tackle resulting in head contact. Two of those in a tournament result in a ban, unless there was evidence that work had been done to improve tackle technique.

Stricter sanctions and improved tackle technique go hand-in-hand, given that 72 per cent of head injuries sustained in a tackle occur to the defender.

There were some delegates in Paris who believed that more focus was required on implementing existing law too. The crackdown on high tackles, which have never been legal, will continue into the World Cup.

Brett Gosper, World Rugby chief executive, is aware what impact that could have on the narrative of the tournament. Sam Warburton, the Wales captain, was sent off in the 2011 semi-final in a clampdown on tip tackles, but they have been virtually removed from the game.

“We know cards change behaviour so you have to be willing to do that,” Gosper said. “Player welfare is the officials’ number one priority, not the spectacle.”

Spectacle, though, was a consideration of the symposium. The laws review group, chaired by John Jeffrey, the former Scotland flanker, will also consider the introduction of a countdown clock on scrums, which could have the double benefit of speeding up the game and introducing fatigue into forwards. Scrums at present take an average of 62 seconds for a restart. “It is dead time,” Jeffrey said.

Rugby may be at a crossroads politically, with different stakeholders at loggerheads over the Nations Championship, but the club competitions were invited to Marcoussis and there was consensus on delivering a safer game. “We’re hoping what we did here is going to create a more safe environment for every player at the community and elite level,” Gosper said.
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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2019, 11:59:26 AM »
I wholeheartedly agree that the game needs to be made safer but I don't necessarily think that law changes are the answer. What I think should happen is that rugby go back to its roots - after all, I thought the idea of rugby in the early days was to not be tackled? Players nowadays actively look for the collision. Second to that, smaller players. Some modern wingers are a similar size, if not bigger, than forwards of yesteryear.
The laws of the game aren't what needs changing, it's the people who play it that need to.

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2019, 05:02:05 PM »
Need to make the line out less of a weapon if this comes in. Otherwise we can give the title to chiefs now....

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2019, 06:17:18 PM »
1. Cut subs from 8 to 7
2. All penalty kicks and conversion attempts to be drop kicks to be taken within 30 seconds similar to sevens. No stopping the clock and no time for a chat with the ref followed by a drink followed by 60 seconds of staring into the sky. Kick it while you're still out of breath. That will also reward penalties and tries close in under the posts while making teams think twice about penalties on the half-way line or way out on the touch line.
3. All scrums and lineouts to be taken within 30 seconds otherwise a free kick sanction. Generally the defenders get there in 10 seconds so the attacking team will have to hurry up and get there as well or they will be handing over possession.
4. For rucks call "use-it" as soon as the ref can see the ball - doesn't matter if scrum half isn't there and doesn't matter if you haven't constructed a massive caterpillar ... Just use it
5. No water breaks unless the weather is so hot it's dangerous. If the ref needs a drink stop the game and everyone drinks otherwise if you want a drink go to the side and drink it while play continues without you.
6. No stopping for injuries. Play on unless a serious injury / the medical team on pitch are at risk of interfering with play. If the game is stopped for medical treatment then after the treatment is finished the player must leave the field for a minimum of 60 seconds. So either he must be subbed immediately (full replacement or HIA or blood bin) or he must stand on the sidelines while his team-mates play 1 man down for 60 seconds. Thus is intended to stop props who go down "injured" for a scrum when all they really want is for everyone to have a rest. If they are tired that's tough. If they are injured then that scrum will be uncontested and they have to leave the pitch for minimum 60 seconds.

I predict that will bring the average time the ball is in play up by 10 mins per game and the average weight of players down by at least 10kg.

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2019, 09:51:06 AM »
Per JT002
From my first year of playing - 1962, to my last c 1981 (injury), it was considered primarily a game of evasion, and avoiding contact or the tackle. Professionalism, and RL coaching made it into a game of collision. Then fitness and strength made the collisions more harmful.

Glad I was able to play the ethos of the game when I did, and agree it should find a way to return to the all shapes and sizes part of the Laws.

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Re: World Rugby proposing some new laws after RWC.
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2019, 10:32:49 AM »
I agree West Wales Wasp, I can easily see strong attacking positions from just inside your own half being scuppered in favour of kicks to touch to attempt more rolling mauls.
Maul laws would be the ones I’d look at first