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and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« on: December 22, 2020, 09:38:52 AM »
Well you can guess from this Telegraph article


Who is the best ball-carrying forward in European rugby?

Rugby nerd: Telegraph Sport digs into data from the Premiership, Pro14, Top14, Challenge Cup and Champions Cup to find the answer
By Jake Goodwill 21 December 2020 • 3:23pm


Getting over the gainline is as fundamental as ever to the game of rugby. Front foot ball is absolutely the key to breaking down defences that otherwise become organised and ready to sprint off the line.

Having individuals that can break tackles, and find metres where none should be found, is invaluable. Alfie Barbeary has brought a new dimension to Wasps with his abrasive ball carrying while Jake Polledri has been putting defenders on their backsides for fun over the last couple of seasons.

But who are the best forwards in Europe, statistically, at getting over the gainline? Some of the usual suspects make the list, alongside some players that you would not necessarily associate with ball carrying.

The stats used to assess this are from the Premiership, Pro14, Top14, European Challenge Cup and Heineken Champions Cup since the start of the 2018/19 season. All 1,026 forwards who have played 400+ minutes in that time have been ranked.
By average metres per carry

Peceli Yato, the dynamic Clermont back rower, tops this chart with only Barbeary within touching distance. This metric rewards power per carry, as opposed to the frequency of the work. Nevertheless, it is impressive for a player as young as Barbeary to be towards the top of the tree.

Guy Thompson, formerly of Wasps and Leicester, now at Ealing Trailfinders, was a leading light for Tigers during a relatively dark period. A fine player who packs a punch, as the stats show.

The other thing to note here is the effectiveness of Cameron Woki, the French flanker that was given a run at the end of the Autumn Nations Cup. Despite playing more minutes than anyone else on the list, Woki's ability to get over the gainline endures across a 40 game sample size. Impressive from the 22-year-old.
By carries over the gainline per 80 minutes

Barbeary takes the number one spot by this metric, illustrating he carries with frequency alongside with devastating power. He averages one and a half carries over the gainline more than the next best forward.

Georgian powerhouse Otari Giorgadze, who was extremely impressive in the 2019 Rugby World Cup, and Ulster's Marcell Coetzee are next in line - alongside Perpignan lock Michael Faleafa.

Worth noting is the work of young lock Ryan Baird, tipped to be the next big thing in Irish rugby, while Zach Mercer, who has been criticised for not being big and powerful enough to cut international rugby, comes out well.
By metres gained per 80 minutes

In terms of pure meterage, Barbeary and Yato dominate once more, with Nathan Hughes and Viliame Mata also near the top. Mercer, Giorgadze and exciting French youngster Jordan Joseph all feature.

This metric is perhaps less useful than the previous two, as the data can be skewed by one carry that makes a lot of ground.
By percentage of carries over the gainline

This last metric essentially shows who gets knocked back in the tackle with the least frequency when tackled. Interestingly, by this metric, a lot of the star names fall off the list - apart from Barbeary, of course. Henry (Brandon) Brown of the Southern Kings wins this category, with Italian veteran Alessandro Zanni a surprise second place.

Ronan Kelleher, the dynamic Leinster and Ireland hooker, makes the list, successfully getting the consistent gainline success that all front rowers desire.
Verdict

To summarise, the statistics produced by Barbeary are scarily impressive. He ranks top for metres gained per 80 minutes and carries over the gainline per 80 minutes, also ranking second for average gain per carry and fifth for gainline success rate. All this should be, of course, with the caveat that Barbeary's sample size is relatively small. For that reason, it would be wrong to proclaim the 20-year-old the best ball carrying forward in Europe. However, these statistics underlie what a special talent he is and the fact he may well be on the way to earning that accolade.

A word too for Yato, who is the only other player that can rival Barbeary by these metrics. The Fijian has the ability to decimate professional defences, as borne out by the statistics.

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2020, 09:55:16 AM »
Sorry - tables didn't carry over in previous poat

Most metres per carry since 2018/19 across Europe (Opta)
Team    Player    Minutes    Games    Average Gain (metres per carry)
Clermont Auvergne    Peceli Yato    2079    37    5.8
Wasps    Alfie Barbeary    483    10    5.6
Leicester    Guy Thompson    1663    29    5.0
Leicester    Sam Lewis    429    13    4.7
Kings    Andisa Ntsila    810    16    4.5
Bordeaux Begles    Marco Tauleigne    1425    31    4.5
Zebre    Renato Giammarioli    1990    31    4.5
Northampton    Shaun Adendorff    495    10    4.4
Worcester    Matti Williams    446    10    4.3
Bordeaux Begles    Cameron Woki    2344    40    4.3



Highest average number of carries over the gainline across Europe since 2018/19 (Opta)
Team    Player    Minutes    Games    Carries over the gainline per 80
Wasps    Alfie Barbeary    483    10    9.6
Brive    Otari Giorgadze    718    16    7.9
Ulster    Marcell Coetzee    3258    48    7.9
Perpignan    Mike Faleafa    851    17    7.9
Leinster    Ryan Baird    718    16    7.8
Newcastle Falcons    Nemani Nagusa    679    12    7.7
Munster    Gavin Coombes    910    23    7.6
Leinster    James Ryan    1985    28    7.5
Bath    Zach Mercer    2855    40    7.4
Leinster    Jack Conan    1570    21    7.3


Highest average metres gained per match since 2018/19 across Europe (Opta)
Team    Player    Minutes    Games    Metres gained per 80
Wasps    Alfie Barbeary    483    10    82.0
Clermont Auvergne    Peceli Yato    2079    37    69.7
Bristol    Nathan Hughes    3009    47    54.6
Edinburgh    Viliame Mata    2734    41    53.8
Zebre    Renato Giammarioli    1990    31    53.4
Kings    Thembelani Bholi    554    10    51.0
Bath    Zach Mercer    2855    40    48.0
Lyon    Deon Fourie    1175    21    47.3
Brive    Otari Giorgadze    718    16    47.2
Racing 92    Jordan Joseph    936    22    46.8



Highest percentage of carries over the gainline across Europe since 2018/19 (Opta)
Team    Player    Minutes    Games    Gainline %
Kings    Henry Brown    428    8    76.0%
Benetton    Alessandro Zanni    717    14    72.7%
Kings    CJ Velleman    604    10    71.1%
Lyon    Vivien Devisme    460    14    70.6%
Wasps    Alfie Barbeary    483    10    68.2%
Leinster    Ronan Kelleher    932    18    67.6%
Montpellier    Youri Delhommel    590    21    66.7%
Bayonne    Jean Monribot    1928    37    66.4%
Castres    Wayan De Benedittis    632    21    65.6%
Bordeaux Begles    Lekso Kaulashvili    1204    33    65.4%

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2020, 09:56:25 AM »
You do kind of wish this sort of coverage would stop for this young guy. Great as these plaudits are he is still young learning his trade at a new level (and doing fantastically).

I do wonder how much the EAs would offer him!
Let me tell you something cucumber

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2020, 10:27:53 AM »
Not much, but also ownership of a couple of hotels?

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 10:33:10 AM »
+ 1 to both the above.

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2020, 10:40:51 AM »
I like the way on my phone in the main forum page the topic title reads:

"And the best ball carrying forward in Europe is...started by Roger E"

Sounds like you have jumped in at 9 to get Alfie moving Roger!

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2020, 11:29:03 AM »
The only time I ever played for Wasps at no 9, one of the front row grabbed me by the throat and told me "put the F***ing ball in on the  right f***ing side", so don't think Alfie would have been in too good a position if I had been playing.

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2020, 11:45:59 AM »
The only time I ever played for Wasps at no 9, one of the front row grabbed me by the throat and told me "put the F***ing ball in on the  right f***ing side", so don't think Alfie would have been in too good a position if I had been playing.

I believe actually Alfie puts the ball in, hooks it, controls it at the base then moves it away all by himself so you might not be needed!

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2020, 02:09:21 PM »
I also beleivea he gets himself yellow carded so he can put the kettle on for the teams post match brew

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Re: and the best ball-carrying forward in Europe is...
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2020, 02:47:43 PM »
You do kind of wish this sort of coverage would stop for this young guy. Great as these plaudits are he is still young learning his trade at a new level (and doing fantastically).

Agreed. Whilst player support has improved, I remember the plaudits that another young player had back in 2005. Matt Tait was a fab player, but ended up being picked for England aged 18 and being rather bashed around vs Wales. He'd only played about one and bit seasons of Prem rugby and unlike a winger (say) , a centre is rather exposed in terms of defence and organisation - and in the end the pressures and injuries (probably not unconnected to being played too much too early) meant he ended up a rather unfulfilled player.

I hope that Alfie just gets to enjoy a couple of seasons of play, not too much play, before anyone starts getting ahead of themselves.

In an opinion post, I'd expect that he has every chance to have a long and successful career, including international level. In what position is still up for grabs - he looks like a backrower more than a hooker to me - just from the way he plays and what he offers to a team without the additional pressures (physical and mental) of top level front row play.

I really like his contributions to the team leadership on the pitch and the confidence he extrudes in play. But lets remember he's still a very young man and will only get better - if we allow.

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2020, 03:48:17 PM »
Agree totally.