New Signing - John Ryan

[Egret]

Pretty well set at 12?

We may have plenty of 12s on the books but we haven't had a game changer there for a while.

[HDAWG]

Pretty well set at 12?

We may have plenty of 12s on the books but we haven't had a game changer there for a while.

I'm inclined to agree. Whilst Odendaal and Hartley (in particular Hartley) look promising, I'm really not sure that's enough. We also have Simonds who's potentially good, and Mills who's made of glass. Really not confident.

[Shugs]

Flip it round though. Exclude Esterhuizen and where are the game changing 12’s?? I certainly can’t think of many. England don’t have any. Odendaal/Hartley/Mills/Le Bourgeois might be as good as most get.

[HDAWG]

Flip it round though. Exclude Esterhuizen and where are the game changing 12’s?? I certainly can’t think of many. England don’t have any. Odendaal/Hartley/Mills/Le Bourgeois might be as good as most get.

Tbf that's a good point about game changing 12's. I guess it's because Gopperth has been so so good over the years it's difficult to replace.

That said Odendaal jury's out until he's here, Hartley/Simonds potentially good but unproven, Le Bourgeois is someone who's hinted at quality but mainly ok, and Mills is perfect apart from injury rate. So yeah, a lot depending on Odendaal, Hartley and Simonds. My money is on Hartley weirdly enough.

[wasps]

We've also had Ben Jacobs in the past who was excellent for us at 12, without really being a stand out name.


We don't need a Ma'a Nonu or a Tana Umaga.
We just need someone who fits with whatever our game plan at 12 will be next season.