Always a Wasp

Not sure about building the team around them but they should all be in the squad. J Willis is a unique player who has that X factor. T Willis is vying with Dombrandt to be the best 8 England have for me. Atkinson is probably still behind Smith, Ford for now but he’s the sort of player you’d want to get involved.

This I can agree with.

If Borthwick isn't rebuilding the England squad after the WC around Tom, Jack & Charlie something has gone seriously wrong.

What in the heck.

Jack is a fringe squad player, Tom is way behind in pecking order because of insane depth and Charlie isn't ready yet.

Love those guys for Wasps, but ain't gonna build England around them. Just not happened that way sadly.

Quote from: Shugs on December 12, 2022, 06:10:03 PM

What he doesn’t say is what he wanted from them other than generic “support”. Also appears none of it was his fault despite being the CEO. Finally, as we seek agreement from the RFU for the future the timing of his piece is not helpful.

I'm not sure what help the RFU could give overall as they are close to the edge as well with all the debt they have..

I've said before that I'd like to understand how much power he actually had, yes he's the CEO and should be the man in charge and obviously feels he made a number of deals to help the club, in his words, but with an owner above you it can make it difficult.
Taking the comments about the Hottiger group bid, whether it was or wasn't a viable bid is now water under the collapsed bridge but what it does show is that despite the board all wanting to push forward with the bid one man vetoed it, and yes he was the man putting the money in but what else was he vetoing?

I was told by a guy at ACL/Wasps that Derek was involved in everything and made it difficult for people to run the business day to day. Not sure how true that was as he also told me that Wasps wouldn't go bust, although he did tell me the 3 bidders before it was public knowledge so guess he thought one of them would buy the club.

+1

Sounds like Borthwick is on the way.

I too wanted EJ gone, but to do that appointment, 9 months before WC, for Borthwick is moronic. He'd have easily been acquirable after a world cup, why put pressure on with giving him 9 months?

And also, I really don't think we'll be any better under Borthwick. Boring as hell. Razor would've been perfect for Smith and pushing attacking rugby in England. If the current sacking was for Razor, I'd probably it.

And I feel for Tigers as well, they're properly screwed now.

Just several levels of stupid imo, for something that could have waited.

I've seen it too. I'm torn on Borthwick, and would've preferred Robertson.

Fantastic guitarist, RIP

No chance Eddie is sacked.

Odendaal on verge of Japan move. Launch considering short term move abroad.And then Exeter picking up Feyi-Waboso, Bell and Fisilau.
So, one of the most vocal advocates in our relegation etc has picked up Frost and three huge prospects at a time when cap restraints make them like gold dust. Pleased for the players but the whole thing stinks. Vested interest doesn’t even cover it.

our punishment was justifiable irrespective of what other clubs said on the subject.

But, given how so many of our former players succeeded in getting deals at other prem clubs, immediately after the salary cap reduction that left many players struggling for opportunities. That's something that definitely makes me question how much other clubs knew prior to our downfall. And therefore, potentially you do have a point.