Brad up today

[Neils]

Rumoured

[NellyWellyWaspy]

I wonder how he would plead?

[Neils]

I wonder how he would plead?

It's a dreadfully loaded system - plead guilty and we'll reduce. Argue and we hit you with the full load.

[hookender]

Wonder if any player has taken in a tape to show what a ref has deemed safe in the same game compared to own penalty/ red card for dangerous play ? I know could risk ‘contempt’ ban weeks, for  contesting charge, but plenty of examples this week, before and after.

 

[NellyWellyWaspy]

Wonder if any player has taken in a tape to show what a ref has deemed safe in the same game compared to own penalty/ red card for dangerous play ? I know could risk ‘contempt’ ban weeks, for  contesting charge, but plenty of examples this week, before and after.

You can't use the 'why didn't you ping him also then?' defence. Same as asking a police officer why he didn't pull the two cars that overtook you for speeding as well.

[Peej]

Has to plead guilty and hope that they merit the red card and missing the rest of the game as punishment enough, which I think has happened before?

Is this Brad's second red card of the season?

[Tervueren]

Has to plead guilty and hope that they merit the red card and missing the rest of the game as punishment enough, which I think has happened before?

Is this Brad's second red card of the season?

Yes, he got one for 2 x yellow cards earlier in the season, no subsequent ban.

[hookender]

Wonder if any player has taken in a tape to show what a ref has deemed safe in the same game compared to own penalty/ red card for dangerous play ? I know could risk ‘contempt’ ban weeks, for  contesting charge, but plenty of examples this week, before and after.

You can't use the 'why didn't you ping him also then?' defence. Same as asking a police officer why he didn't pull the two cars that overtook you for speeding as well.

But it would be interesting to get a citing officer/ boards view on a refs decision making!

[Bloke in North Dorset]

Wonder if any player has taken in a tape to show what a ref has deemed safe in the same game compared to own penalty/ red card for dangerous play ? I know could risk ‘contempt’ ban weeks, for  contesting charge, but plenty of examples this week, before and after.

You can't use the 'why didn't you ping him also then?' defence. Same as asking a police officer why he didn't pull the two cars that overtook you for speeding as well.

But it would be interesting to get a citing officer/ boards view on a refs decision making!

It would, but it won't happen and shouldn't as it would bring the game in to disrepute. They certainly aren't going to say it was a badly refereed game, a bad decision among many, and so no further sanction.

Best we can hope for is they think the red was punishment enough.

[Heathen]

Hearing is this evening :


Disciplinary Hearings – Round 1

Tuesday 14th December 2021

6:12 pm (GMT)

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Disciplinary Hearings – Round 1   

Brad Shields was shown a red card during Wasps’ Round 1 match against Munster Rugby

HEINEKEN CHAMPIONS CUP

Red card – Brad Shields (Wasps)

The Wasps second row, Brad Shields (No 4), was issued with a red card during his club’s Heineken Champions Cup, Round 1 match against Munster Rugby at the Coventry Building Society Arena on Sunday, 12 December 2021.

Shields was sent off by the match referee, Romain Poite (France), in the 26th minute for tackling the Munster prop, Dave Kilcoyne (No 1), in a dangerous manner in contravention of Law 9.13.

Marcello D’Oray (Portugal), Chair, Roger Morris (Wales) and Leon Lloyd (England) have been appointed as the independent Disciplinary Committee for the hearing which will take place by video conference this evening (Tuesday, 14 December).

Law 9.13 A player must not tackle an opponent dangerously
Under World Rugby’s Sanctions for Foul Play, Law 9.13 relating to dangerous tackling carries the following sanction entry points – Low End: 2 weeks; Mid-range: 6 weeks; Top end: 10 to 52 weeks.

[Shugs]

I’m imagining that the answer is no but is there any possibility the panel could decide he hasn’t contravened the law at all?

[Raggs]

I’m imagining that the answer is no but is there any possibility the panel could decide he hasn’t contravened the law at all?

If there's no clear evidence of head contact, then they can throw it out. If they decide he hit a shoulder first, and the player was falling etc, they can clear him of the red and I believe issue a yellow.

I don't know if Wasps will attempt to appeal, no appeal and Brads record, and if we can get it in as low as possible, plus a week off for attending a high tackle course thing, he might not miss much at all. Appealing may not leave as much option if we don't succeed.

[mike909]

Raggs - would a "low guilty" mean he's ok for London Irish?

[Peej]

I imagine it will either have been thrown out, or he'll get a two/three week ban - and so miss the Irish game at least.

[Neils]

I imagine it will either have been thrown out, or he'll get a two/three week ban - and so miss the Irish game at least.

Agree with this. Can't see them going against the ref so he is likely to get a free Christmas at least.