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Re: Last three games
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2020, 10:22:49 AM »
Without wishing to pee on anyone's parade, it seems to me that we're back to where we were a couple of years ago, likely to score a load but fragile in defence.

No. We are fragile in some places, especially out wide. But we now regularly get great line speed so that intercept tries are even possible. We push our opposition back phase by phase. We defend our own ball better, being far less caught alone in the tackle, even driving forward in the tackle. We have far fewer missed tackles, and each player steps up and takes responsibility in defence.

We cannot stop opponents scoring against us. Our attacking style will always leave gaps and opportunities. Good sides, like Gloucester, will grab those and score. What we can't afford to do, and, in the main, no longer do, is to switch off for 15-20 minutes at a time. Our ONLY defence is attack, or preparedness to attack. A team playing us has to KNOW that, when defending, we will take every opportunity to counter attack, from wherever we are on the field. It makes them cautious. Caution breeds errors.

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2020, 10:42:25 AM »
Without wishing to pee on anyone's parade, it seems to me that we're back to where we were a couple of years ago, likely to score a load but fragile in defence.

You mean a few years ago when we topped the table, came withing a dodgy extra time penalty of winning the title, and our style was the toast of the rugby world?

I'm ok with that.
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Re: Last three games
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2020, 10:42:50 AM »
I would really like to see more snap drop goals like Dobby's. Puts more pressure on the oppo's defence. Yet one more thing for them to think about. And, of course, if successful, it's three more points on the board.

Drop goals seem to have fallen out of favour - perhaps it's the influence, albeit indirectly, of going for the try bonus point. I've always been a fan of the DG. So was Alex King.
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Re: Last three games
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2020, 10:48:34 AM »
Without wishing to pee on anyone's parade, it seems to me that we're back to where we were a couple of years ago, likely to score a load but fragile in defence.

Yes and no. We are conceding points, but the attitude in our defence, and then breakdown, is world apart. Often now we're looking to smash the opponents back, and blitz the rucks (even outside Willis). It's a pretty new approach in my mind (it showed itself in parts last season, but didn't stick), with more time settling it in, it should become more effective.

2-4 seasons ago, we were generally more passive, and rarely got stuck into the rucks (excluding individual players).

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2020, 11:52:37 AM »
It’s an upturn in fortune and I am happy.  No parade to pee on.
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Re: Last three games
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2020, 12:05:40 PM »
One always appreciates a peeless parade.
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Re: Last three games
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2020, 12:08:13 PM »
Without wishing to pee on anyone's parade, it seems to me that we're back to where we were a couple of years ago, likely to score a load but fragile in defence.

Yes and no. We are conceding points, but the attitude in our defence, and then breakdown, is world apart. Often now we're looking to smash the opponents back, and blitz the rucks (even outside Willis). It's a pretty new approach in my mind (it showed itself in parts last season, but didn't stick), with more time settling it in, it should become more effective.

2-4 seasons ago, we were generally more passive, and rarely got stuck into the rucks (excluding individual players).

Its almost as though we've been receiving coaching on how to defend!! But that can't be true because surely our defence coach is the cause of all our woes?!?!?!  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2020, 11:16:47 PM »
Scrum is stronger now as well. Previously it was often that Nathan had to reach in to save the ball from a scrum starting to go back.

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2020, 06:37:44 AM »
Plus we now have the King of turnovers in Jack Willis whose breakdown heroics is winning us more possession and territory.
It was no surprise to see Balmain and co target him for special treatment on Saturday.

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2020, 09:17:28 AM »
Plus we now have the King of turnovers in Jack Willis whose breakdown heroics is winning us more possession and territory.
It was no surprise to see Balmain and co target him for special treatment on Saturday.

For me, this is a massive difference. There were times last season when both Willis and YY weren't available, opposition teams seemed to have endless phase after phase (slowly building pressure, forcing players into unfamiliar defensive positions) due to there being no competition at the breakdown.

It seemed like a preset policy of not competeing at rucks but simply getting back in line but inevetable defending for long periods saps players energy and gaps appear

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2020, 11:37:39 AM »
Another positive is that the balance of the back row is good. Shields, Willis and Carr have a complimentary skill set.

Question : would the inclusion of YY with Willis (with Shields or Carr) upset that balance?

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2020, 11:52:36 AM »
Another positive is that the balance of the back row is good. Shields, Willis and Carr have a complimentary skill set.

Question : would the inclusion of YY with Willis (with Shields or Carr) upset that balance?

Unfortunately I think it would.
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Re: Last three games
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2020, 12:06:55 PM »
Another positive is that the balance of the back row is good. Shields, Willis and Carr have a complimentary skill set.

Question : would the inclusion of YY with Willis (with Shields or Carr) upset that balance?

Unfortunately I think it would.

Agreed, it would.

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2020, 02:11:12 PM »
Another positive is that the balance of the back row is good. Shields, Willis and Carr have a complimentary skill set.

Question : would the inclusion of YY with Willis (with Shields or Carr) upset that balance?

Maybe....he said assertively....As it stands, Willis, Shields and Carr is as good a backrow as you could hope for and each is playing in their specialist position. No hint of Eddie Jones in our selection. Carr is a fully functioning number 8 with Shields a modern "old school" 6 who is playing really well and Willis is the nest 7 in the Prem.

YY can do a similar but different job at 6 or 7, but with a different focus. We're lucky to have such options, and vs many sides, playing Willis and YY would require a slightly different focus re strategy as their overlap is greater. Its not that Brad doesn't go for turnovers, but its Willis's number one aim, alongside doing the  classic openside "hassle the FH". It would need more balance between the two to work

You then need to think how to play at number 8 with a slightly smaller 6 on the pitch.

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Re: Last three games
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2020, 02:45:49 PM »
Maybe Thomas Young at 12?  He's got the pace.