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Title: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 01, 2020, 03:55:18 PM
So... just a guess

Sale 50 vs
Tigers 4
Sarries 4
Bath 4
Saints 4
Wuss 4

Bristol 48 vs
Wuss 4
Saints 4
Wasps 4
Tigers 4
Irish 4

Wasps 47 vs
Sarries 0
Tigers 4
Bristol 0
Quins 4
Chiefs 0

Bath 45 vs
Quins 0
Wuss 4
Sharks 0
Glaws 0
Sarries 0

Saints 40 vs
Chiefs 0
Bears 0
Tigers 4
Sharks 0
Glaws 4

Quins 37 vs
Bath 4
Irish 4
Glaws 4
Wasps 0
Tigers 4

Glaws 36 vs
Irish 4
Chiefs 0
Quins 0
Bath 4
Saints 0

Not bothering with BPs at the moment. Some wins are likely 5 pointers, and of course things can change. I've been pessimistic with our results.

Chiefs - Lots
Sale - 70
Bristol - 68
Wasps - 55
Quins - 52
Bath - 49
Saints - 48
Glaws - 44

That has us just sneaking into 4th place.

What it also does is really emphasises the necessity to beat Quins. A win against Tigers is important. A win against Bristol would be huge, especially if they slip up elsewhere, it could even lead to us jumping them. The victory against Bath was also hugely important, I've been very negative about their chances, but there's every chance they get more wins, and can still potentially get past us.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Hymenoptera on September 01, 2020, 04:04:56 PM
Given the need for rotation calling some of these is a lottery. Bristol for example, their 2nd team is somewhat weaker than their starting 15, as is Quins..
Will come down to who meets who. I'd be surprised to see Quins in top 4 either way.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 01, 2020, 04:23:26 PM
Given the need for rotation calling some of these is a lottery. Bristol for example, their 2nd team is somewhat weaker than their starting 15, as is Quins..
Will come down to who meets who. I'd be surprised to see Quins in top 4 either way.

I think that's the key in this little mini-season we're in at the moment.  We are seeing which sides have the depth of resources to remain reasonably competitive with a second string.  Bristol seem to go very well with their 1st choice 23, but the back up is a bigger drop off than others (Sarries and Exeter inevitably spring to mind).  Sale do not seem to have rotated as much as others and Diamond has made a few dismissive comments regarding the need for the Professional Game Board to be telling him who he can and can't pick, an approach which may still come home to roost as the fixtures continue to come thick and fast.  Most DoRs are being pretty pragmatic and sensible in their approach and there is an element of luck of the draw as to whether or not your opponents put out a full strength squad.  With a few exceptions, predicting games before seeing the team sheets is next to impossible.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Hymenoptera on September 01, 2020, 04:30:02 PM
With reported squad of 33 i expected Sale to struggle a bit more than they have. I know they lost their first 2 but that was down to a slow start more than squad rotation.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Shugs on September 01, 2020, 04:36:27 PM
I think we'll beat Tigers, Quins and Bristol and the top 4 will read

Exeter
Sale
Wasps
Bath
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: backdoc on September 01, 2020, 05:51:01 PM
I agree about Bristol. Especially if they beat Wuss and Saints, then they rest players against us and finish with Tiggers and Irish
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Heathen on September 01, 2020, 08:07:36 PM
The burning question is do we really want to qualify for the playoffs? It's not that I want us to miss out but the squad will have been through a pretty tough period of 9 matches.

The international window follows and who knows how many that Eddie might try to break. The new season starts before that window finishes.

I would rather see our guys get as much R&R as they can and hit the ground running when next season kicks off.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Shugs on September 01, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
I've had the same thoughts but I think I want to get top 4. You never know once your there and the squad & backroom deserve it after a tough year. Plus it gives valuable big game experience to the squad.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Hymenoptera on September 01, 2020, 09:23:23 PM
The burning question is do we really want to qualify for the playoffs? It's not that I want us to miss out but the squad will have been through a pretty tough period of 9 matches.

The international window follows and who knows how many that Eddie might try to break. The new season starts before that window finishes.

I would rather see our guys get as much R&R as they can and hit the ground running when next season kicks off.
I think the question is whether the players would want to be rewarded with the opportunity of a playoff as a reward for their endeavors..i suspect they would.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Rossm on September 01, 2020, 10:04:22 PM
The burning question is do we really want to qualify for the playoffs? It's not that I want us to miss out but the squad will have been through a pretty tough period of 9 matches.

The international window follows and who knows how many that Eddie might try to break. The new season starts before that window finishes.

I would rather see our guys get as much R&R as they can and hit the ground running when next season kicks off.
I think the question is whether the players would want to be rewarded with the opportunity of a playoff as a reward for their endeavors..i suspect they would.

I think the players give their answer.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1300723872161988610 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1300723872161988610)
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Hymenoptera on September 01, 2020, 10:21:12 PM
The burning question is do we really want to qualify for the playoffs? It's not that I want us to miss out but the squad will have been through a pretty tough period of 9 matches.

The international window follows and who knows how many that Eddie might try to break. The new season starts before that window finishes.

I would rather see our guys get as much R&R as they can and hit the ground running when next season kicks off.
I think the question is whether the players would want to be rewarded with the opportunity of a playoff as a reward for their endeavors..i suspect they would.

I think the players give their answer.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1300723872161988610 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1300723872161988610)

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Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Rossm on September 01, 2020, 10:48:18 PM
Link works fine for me. Checked at least twice.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Hymenoptera on September 01, 2020, 10:49:50 PM
Proves I can't read...ignore my last
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 05, 2020, 04:21:12 PM
Sale 55 vs
Sarries 4
Bath 4
Saints 4
Wuss 4

Bristol 53 vs
Saints 4
Wasps 4
Tigers 4
Irish 4

Wasps 51 vs
Tigers 4
Bristol 0
Quins 4
Chiefs 0

Bath 50 vs
Wuss 4
Sharks 0
Glaws 0
Sarries 0

Saints 41 vs
Bears 0
Tigers 4
Sharks 0
Glaws 4

Quins 37 vs
Irish 4
Glaws 4
Wasps 0
Tigers 4

Glaws 41 vs
Chiefs 0
Quins 0
Bath 4
Saints 0

So updated now.

Sale 70
Bristol 69
Wasps 59
Bath 54
Saints 49
Quins 49
Glaws 45

Obviously my estimates aren't perfect :D, but that win has helped us a lot, however Bath basically got a bit further ahead with a 5 pointer against Quins, they could easily pick up more wins that I haven't estimated, that's a problem for us making 4th.

We need as much as possible from Tigers, and ideally, a win against Bristol. Bath concern me the most, but there's not much we can do about them now.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: backdoc on September 05, 2020, 04:34:34 PM
If we make 3rd we can make the final. Don't underestimate the tactical nous of our head coach, and the change in our ability to defend.

The more problems we cause the opposition, the less problems they cause us.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Shugs on September 05, 2020, 04:43:36 PM
I think we can beat Bristol. The Quins away game worries me a bit. That said I'd never have predicted the result today so who knows. From the top 5 currently I'd prefer to play Bristol in a semi than any of the other 3.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 05, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
Remember Bristol have a Euro Quarter as well. I believe Pat Lam has said he is targeting that silverware.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 05, 2020, 04:48:21 PM
Given the table, we are masters of our own fate, but it won't be easy.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: MarleyWasp on September 05, 2020, 05:21:27 PM
Bath concern me the most, but there's not much we can do about them now.

We can win out remaining four matches with a try bonus and we'll finish above them.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Tervueren on September 05, 2020, 05:33:14 PM
Bit optimistic? We just failed to get a TBP against a championship side who don't even have a proper pitch:-)
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 05, 2020, 06:36:24 PM
Looking at the table and games left, I think it is nip and tuck with Bristol for 2nd & 3rd. I fancy Bath for 4th, and Sale at 5th. The Native American tribe in 1st of course.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: BdeB on September 05, 2020, 06:48:41 PM
Does the Gloucester result mean we have secured top 8 and therefore a champions  cup place.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 05, 2020, 06:56:12 PM
Does the Gloucester result mean we have secured top 8 and therefore a champions  cup place.

Yes. Irish cannot catch us.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: backdoc on September 05, 2020, 08:15:39 PM
Exeter have a QF and SF on the weekends leading up to the game at Wasps. At the moment they are down to play LI on the friday 19th in the league, and Saints on saturday 20th in the Heine.

I cant see them playing a first team against us.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 09, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
Sale 59 vs
Bath 4
Saints 4
Wuss 4

Bristol 58 vs
Wasps 4
Tigers 4
Irish 4

Wasps 56 vs
Bristol 0
Quins 4
Chiefs 0

Bath 55 vs
Sharks 0
Glaws 0
Sarries 0

Saints 41 vs
Tigers 4
Sharks 0
Glaws 4

Quins 42 vs
Glaws 4
Wasps 0
Tigers 4

Exeter 100000
Sale 71
Bristol 70
Wasps 60
Bath 55
Quins 50
Saints 49


Glaws can no longer get ahead of us, so I've removed them. Saints technically still can.

It's really tight. I've been very negative about Bath in the next few games, but it won't take much for them to push us hard. If we can get a win over Bristol, I'll likely feel a lot more comfortable.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Hymenoptera on September 09, 2020, 10:04:21 PM
I think we'll do Bristol but Quins are our bogey side..
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Dgwasp on September 09, 2020, 10:34:22 PM
I still suspect our difficult run in will mean it is a tough ask to get top 4.  However the closeness of the squad and the way that responsibility is shared gives me hope.  Whoever plays there seems to be consistency and it makes me so proud either way. 
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 09, 2020, 10:39:46 PM
It will be interesting to see who Bristol put out. If Hughes and Thacker are injured even slightly they won't be risked, Radawhatsit has apparently run out of minutes and they have a Euro Quarter next weekend. We on the otherhand can go as strong as we like. As I say interesting.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 13, 2020, 05:08:14 PM
Sale 59 vs
Saints 4
Wuss 4

Bristol 59 vs
Tigers 4
Irish 4

Wasps 61 vs
Quins 4
Chiefs 0

Bath 60 vs
Glaws 4
Sarries 0

Exeter 100000
Sale 71
Bristol 67
Wasps 65
Bath 64


Only worried about sides that can overtake us, and Quins and Saints are no longer in position to do so.

Basically, it's bloody tight, and we need to beat Quins to stay in with a real chance in my mind, 4 try bonus too.

The worry is, if Bath finish with the same number of league points, they beat us out the top 4, as they have more wins.

Positive outlook, if we get 2 wins, we get the home semi final...
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on September 13, 2020, 05:09:54 PM
4 wins is all it takes now.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 13, 2020, 05:13:47 PM
4 wins is all it takes now.

Was about to ask what you are drinking BUT of course you are right!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: MarleyWasp on September 13, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
By my calculations

So...

Two bonus point wins guarantee a home semi final.

Two wins, one bonus point guarantees at least third. If we finish tied on points with Bath they'll finish ahead on matches won.

Two wins, no bonus points means at least fourth provided Bristol don't win their two games with bonus points and get a combined points difference that's 81 points higher than Wasps combined points difference v Quins & Exeter, so if we win both games 3-0, Bristol would need to win both by a combined margin of 87 points.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 13, 2020, 05:45:26 PM
4 wins is all it takes now.

That's the spirit!! 😁😁
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on September 14, 2020, 08:15:40 AM
With the exception of Chiefs all teams have something to play for, so there should be some good contests in the run in, and nobody expects Chiefs to roll over.

We're in a tight contest with Bath, Sale and Bristol for the coveted 2nd place which in not just a home play off but more importantly playing against the teams that were 7 & 8 in next year's European competition. Third and 4th in play offs but it doesn't make much difference in Europe, nobody wants to be 5th and miss out on play offs.

Quins, Saints and Glaws are playing for 6th place, or more importantly not 7th or 8th when they'd be facing teams that were 1st and 2nd in their leagues in Europe next year.

Worcester, Irish and Tigers are playing to not be the "bottom" club, even though that doesn't mean relegation this year. They also need confidence going in to next season when relegation will be a real threat based on this season's performances.

EAs are just trying to prove something and are currently 2nd without the the points deduction. Nobody's listening or cares, but it seems to be giving them something to play for.

And finally, they're all proud rugby players who don't like losing, professional or not.

Its going to be a nail biting finish for most fans  :)
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: MarleyWasp on September 14, 2020, 08:30:26 AM
Avoiding being the "bottom" club is also important for Leicester, Worcester and Irish as it means an easier in theory draw in the Challenge Cup.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: WallyWasp on September 14, 2020, 08:37:09 AM
I take heart from the fact that since the playoffs began when we have won it hasn't ever been from higher than 2nd and with a traditional post Xmas charge (granted in 16 we were 90 secs from changing that)... feels a bit like Wasps of old... we couldn't... could we (living in hope)?
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: baldpaul101 on September 14, 2020, 09:32:41 AM
Out of interest is next years Euro cup placings based on finishing position in the league or the play off? Does the Champion & final runner up make up the 1st & 2nd placings or is it who finishes 1st & 2nd in the regular season?
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 14, 2020, 10:13:17 AM
Out of interest is next years Euro cup placings based on finishing position in the league or the play off? Does the Champion & final runner up make up the 1st & 2nd placings or is it who finishes 1st & 2nd in the regular season?

Playoff performance determines the seedings for the Euro draw.  The structure of the draw means that the 2 finalists from each league are seeded in pot 1, losing semifinalists in pot 2, regardless of league position.  Then 5th and 6th in pot 3, and 7th and 8th in pot 4.  So the 2 finalists will therefore get an equally favourable draw.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Heathen on September 14, 2020, 12:50:10 PM
Well the lads should be well rested. Lee has given them this week off.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 14, 2020, 12:58:00 PM
Who'd have thought .... ?

That we would be pondering how we get a home SF, let alone be in the semis? Where we were earlier in the year, top 6 looked like a pipe dream.

Even if we don't win the next 2 matches, I will be more than happy at the way this season will have ended.

Elated if we get to stay in the top 4, and so on ...
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 14, 2020, 02:26:08 PM
Given the length of the mid-season break compared to the upcoming close season (or lack of), plus the fact that nearly all transfer business across the league was completed during the usual end of season window in the summer, meaning in personnel terms teams now are largely as they will be for the 21/22 season; I find it hard to associate the current run of games with the season that's just finishing, more a sort of pre-season mini tournament ahead of 2021/22.  On that basis we are looking very well set for the season to come.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: coddy on September 14, 2020, 09:14:59 PM
With no fans at the semi final play offs (unless that changes?) The advantage of being at home is significantly reduced therefore I'd be only slightly disappointed with a 3rd place finish over 2nd.

Saying that I wouldn't fancy meeting Exeter at Sandy Park if we finish 4th and be gutted if we miss the play offs altogether.

How our hopes and expectations have changed since Blackett took over.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Steve from Cov on September 14, 2020, 10:36:35 PM
On their day no one can live with Wasps but it would take a herculean effort to win the last 4 games.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Dgwasp on September 15, 2020, 11:16:05 AM
Given the run ins, my head tells me it is going to be a really tough ask to retain too 4... However as the last couple of weeks have shown we have the capability and anything can happen. 

Given the way the season started, how together the squad seem now and how enjoyable the last few weeks have been I really hope the squad go into the last bunch of games with a real nothing to lose attitude.

Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: baldpaul101 on September 15, 2020, 11:40:52 AM
Watching last nights Quinns game I thought they played a very clever game. Kicked to a very fats & creative back 3 & put them under so much pressure Gloz imploded & made mistake after mistake.
Something wasps need to be careful of.
The final game at Sandy Park will be interesting. Depending on how the other teams are standing it may be in Exeter's interest to lose to get themselves a better semi final opponent? Will they want to rest key players or, if a likely home semi against Wasps themselves looks likely, they may want a heavy win to put down a marker.

Can't remember what year but Wasps got absolutely pumped at Welford road but them demolished Tigers in a final a week or so later (details from those with better memories welcome) Mind games from Shaun at the time I think.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: backdoc on September 15, 2020, 11:50:05 AM
Exeter will have had a QF and probably a SF in the two preceding games, with a final possibly to follow. I don't think they will be able to put out a full first team.
I think it is Quins we have to worry about.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: 13thWarrior on September 15, 2020, 01:20:46 PM
Exeter 100000
Sale 71
Bristol 67
Wasps 65
Bath 64

Agree with your placings. Which is a shame as I don't see us (or anyone) beating Exeter. If we beat a weakend team of theirs in the regular season, then a) we might get 2nd or 3rd and so play Sale or Bris & b) gain a bit of confidence for if we meet them in the final. So every incentive to go for it!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Hymenoptera on September 15, 2020, 02:20:49 PM
I think we'll end up 5th on 69 and the LBP for Bris will bite us on the arse.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: InBetweenWasp on September 15, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
Could have done without Quins winning last night.  Although, mind you, given they didn't really create anything and their 3 tries and initial 3 penalties all came from Gloucester errors, perhaps it might have given them false confidence.

Not sure how i'm going to fill the void over the next 2 weeks, been spoilt with twice-weekly games! Champions Cup isn't the same as watching a Wasps game.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 15, 2020, 03:10:10 PM
Watching last nights Quinns game I thought they played a very clever game. Kicked to a very fats & creative back 3 & put them under so much pressure Gloz imploded & made mistake after mistake.
Something wasps need to be careful of.
The final game at Sandy Park will be interesting. Depending on how the other teams are standing it may be in Exeter's interest to lose to get themselves a better semi final opponent? Will they want to rest key players or, if a likely home semi against Wasps themselves looks likely, they may want a heavy win to put down a marker.

Can't remember what year but Wasps got absolutely pumped at Welford road but them demolished Tigers in a final a week or so later (details from those with better memories welcome) Mind games from Shaun at the time I think.

05 Premiership final I believe.

Final game vs Chiefs is at the Ricoh, not Sandy Park.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on September 15, 2020, 03:23:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8H4R4XS7dM&ab_channel=Mossboy16

Nuff said...
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 15, 2020, 03:55:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8H4R4XS7dM&ab_channel=Mossboy16

Nuff said...

Ah that moment!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: baldpaul101 on September 15, 2020, 04:10:12 PM
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Final game vs Chiefs is at the Ricoh, not Sandy Park.

Is it? Thanks, forgot that...not that I think it will make a huge difference but you never know
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: RogerE on September 15, 2020, 04:51:03 PM

Can't remember what year but Wasps got absolutely pumped at Welford road but them demolished Tigers in a final a week or so later (details from those with better memories welcome) Mind games from Shaun at the time I think.

It was the 2006/7 season. In the final premiership round Wasps were beaten by Tigers 40-26, then, about 3 weeks later we beat them in the Heinekin Cup final, at Twickenham, 25-9.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 16, 2020, 10:23:37 AM

Can't remember what year but Wasps got absolutely pumped at Welford road but them demolished Tigers in a final a week or so later (details from those with better memories welcome) Mind games from Shaun at the time I think.

It was the 2006/7 season. In the final premiership round Wasps were beaten by Tigers 40-26, then, about 3 weeks later we beat them in the Heinekin Cup final, at Twickenham, 25-9.

And 2005 we lost the final round of the season 45-10 at WR before beating them 39-14 in the final 2 weeks later.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: St Bruno on September 16, 2020, 10:38:16 AM
DGP - you beat me to it!

After the previous week's drubbing at the (un)Magic Roundabout, I wasn't looking forward to the final with any great expectations.
What a game that was! 39-14 as you say.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: baldpaul101 on September 16, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
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And 2005 we lost the final round of the season 45-10 at WR before beating them 39-14 in the final 2 weeks later.

Thats the one I was thinking of, thanks
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: RogerE on September 16, 2020, 12:19:14 PM

Can't remember what year but Wasps got absolutely pumped at Welford road but them demolished Tigers in a final a week or so later (details from those with better memories welcome) Mind games from Shaun at the time I think.

It was the 2006/7 season. In the final premiership round Wasps were beaten by Tigers 40-26, then, about 3 weeks later we beat them in the Heinekin Cup final, at Twickenham, 25-9.

I had forgotten about that one - sorry


And 2005 we lost the final round of the season 45-10 at WR before beating them 39-14 in the final 2 weeks later.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: andermt on September 16, 2020, 02:28:15 PM
Could have done without Quins winning last night.  Although, mind you, given they didn't really create anything and their 3 tries and initial 3 penalties all came from Gloucester errors, perhaps it might have given them false confidence.

Agreed not sure how much to read into that match, Glaws were terrible, Cips was on one of his bad games.

He quite literally kicked the ball into Quins hands at one point and they ran it back for a try. Plus the forward pass which was an easy walk-in for Glaws.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Rossm on September 16, 2020, 02:57:30 PM
Could have done without Quins winning last night.  Although, mind you, given they didn't really create anything and their 3 tries and initial 3 penalties all came from Gloucester errors, perhaps it might have given them false confidence.

Agreed not sure how much to read into that match, Glaws were terrible, Cips was on one of his bad games.

He quite literally kicked the ball into Quins hands at one point and they ran it back for a try. Plus the forward pass which was an easy walk-in for Glaws.

Glaws were indeed terrible and I think that is possibly the worst I have seen Cips play. His mind was not on his rugby. I was surprised that Skivington didn't take him off at HT.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 16, 2020, 03:16:54 PM
Could have done without Quins winning last night.  Although, mind you, given they didn't really create anything and their 3 tries and initial 3 penalties all came from Gloucester errors, perhaps it might have given them false confidence.

Agreed not sure how much to read into that match, Glaws were terrible, Cips was on one of his bad games.

He quite literally kicked the ball into Quins hands at one point and they ran it back for a try. Plus the forward pass which was an easy walk-in for Glaws.

Glaws were indeed terrible and I think that is possibly the worst I have seen Cips play. His mind was not on his rugby. I was surprised that Skivington didn't take him off at HT.

The rose tints on here remember his stellar performances but there were a good many brain fart matches. He is going through a period of brain fartology.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Tervueren on September 16, 2020, 03:26:39 PM
He was trying to outdo Marland Yarde
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: BdeB on September 16, 2020, 05:47:35 PM
Could have done without Quins winning last night.  Although, mind you, given they didn't really create anything and their 3 tries and initial 3 penalties all came from Gloucester errors, perhaps it might have given them false confidence.

Agreed not sure how much to read into that match, Glaws were terrible, Cips was on one of his bad games.

He quite literally kicked the ball into Quins hands at one point and they ran it back for a try. Plus the forward pass which was an easy walk-in for Glaws.

Glaws were indeed terrible and I think that is possibly the worst I have seen Cips play. His mind was not on his rugby. I was surprised that Skivington didn't take him off at HT.

I think we can all be quite content with how the no10 situation has worked out for us.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: westwaleswasp on September 16, 2020, 06:02:40 PM
Certainly content with Jacob, although he too will have awful days like Sale this year, it is inevitable given his age and the way he plays.

Can't honestly say that I was content about Lima's stint as first choice ten, I can't remember any great games for us from him, just flashes. Glad he is here now, good option as back up, but are there any remaining people here who view him as near first choice at 10 or 15? Genuine question, not trying to provoke, I know he had a pretty large vocal support here, more so than at DW. Where does he sit in the scheme if things in people's opinion?
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Tervueren on September 16, 2020, 06:20:12 PM
Certainly content with Jacob, although he too will have awful days like Sale this year, it is inevitable given his age and the way he plays.

Can't honestly say that I was content about Lima's stint as first choice ten, I can't remember any great games for us from him, just flashes. Glad he is here now, good option as back up, but are there any remaining people here who view him as near first choice at 10 or 15? Genuine question, not trying to provoke, I know he had a pretty large vocal support here, more so than at DW. Where does he sit in the scheme if things in people's opinion?

None of the team were fully "clicking" a lot of the time, so not entirely sure we can be critical of Lima in isolation. Also we don't know what he was being asked to do either, so there could be a lot of factors in the apparent under-performing. If he now has stints at 10 with the team playing as it is at the moment and it does not work out then perhaps he is not right for Wasps.

Some of his play at 15 showed some class though.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Rossm on September 16, 2020, 11:07:05 PM
Certainly content with Jacob, although he too will have awful days like Sale this year, it is inevitable given his age and the way he plays.

Can't honestly say that I was content about Lima's stint as first choice ten, I can't remember any great games for us from him, just flashes. Glad he is here now, good option as back up, but are there any remaining people here who view him as near first choice at 10 or 15? Genuine question, not trying to provoke, I know he had a pretty large vocal support here, more so than at DW. Where does he sit in the scheme if things in people's opinion?

None of the team were fully "clicking" a lot of the time, so not entirely sure we can be critical of Lima in isolation. Also we don't know what he was being asked to do either, so there could be a lot of factors in the apparent under-performing. If he now has stints at 10 with the team playing as it is at the moment and it does not work out then perhaps he is not right for Wasps.

Some of his play at 15 showed some class though.

I didn't find him convincing at ten though I thought some posters were rather keen to see him fail. Rather fortuitously he seems to have clicked at 15 and looks a lot more comfortable. I like Matteo more and more at either FB or on the wing.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: westwaleswasp on September 16, 2020, 11:23:43 PM
I always said he was too deep for what I wanted from a Wasps ten, just not what I want us to play like, and I think the team just could not adjust from a ten in traffic to ten in the pocket, it negated our strengths. Unfair to blame him, Dai knew what he was bringing in.  Often wondered if Dai wanted a lot more structure to us but had a team that was full of players who excelled in broken play,  so just went with it, and bringing in Lima was part of a plan to get us into a more territorial game with fewer hare em scare em moments.

I totally agree Lima did not get a cohesive team to play around. Then again when we missed Cipriani through injury we sometimes clicked, and sometimes did not, so it is possible had Lima been playing with that era Wasps he would have had the same issues

I am glad it worked out for him now as a fifteen. Minozzi is a super talent, I really look forward to watching him, and has been super under the high ball, so for me Lima is still more bench that starting given a full squad.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 17, 2020, 07:47:10 AM
when we missed Cipriani through injury we sometimes clicked,

But most games in that case we had Jimmy. Lima's big problem was arriving late and having no JG to learn systems off and be protected by - rather like Jacob has benefited from.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: HDAWG on September 17, 2020, 07:56:21 AM
I think Sops has had his best games at Fullback. That's not to say he can't be a good fly half.

That said, even under Blackett the best fly halves are Jacob and Jimmy by a long way. They're very different, yet stick to a roughly similar game plan. But Sopoaga hasn't looked as good in his (only) opportunity at 10 under Blackett.

For the future Sopoaga is more of a novelty or another experiment. I don't think he's a plan for future, but I do really want him to work and be this incredible player. It's frustrating really.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Heathen on September 17, 2020, 08:41:38 AM
Our style of play when Lima arrived from NZ, was different to what he was used to down under. He was part of a team that did all the thinking for him. He basically did little more than shovel the ball on. I accept that is a bit harsh but great things were expected from him.

We are now playing a very different style from when he arrived (and with a fit squad, well motivated etc.etc). Unfortunately for him, we have a fit Jimmy and Jacob has stepped up and with Charlie coming through, his chances of playing in the 10 shirt are very, very limited. He has more chance of playing at 15 but again we have some good options without him.

A real shame. He is a nice guy and I feel for him at times, that his journey to the NH has not worked in the way that he or the the Club had hoped. Malakai on the other hand, has been brilliant. Just shows that France was not the place for him.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 17, 2020, 09:27:00 AM
Our style of play when Lima arrived from NZ, was different to what he was used to down under. He was part of a team that did all the thinking for him. He basically did little more than shovel the ball on. I accept that is a bit harsh but great things were expected from him.

We are now playing a very different style from when he arrived (and with a fit squad, well motivated etc.etc). Unfortunately for him, we have a fit Jimmy and Jacob has stepped up and with Charlie coming through, his chances of playing in the 10 shirt are very, very limited. He has more chance of playing at 15 but again we have some good options without him.

A real shame. He is a nice guy and I feel for him at times, that his journey to the NH has not worked in the way that he or the the Club had hoped. Malakai on the other hand, has been brilliant. Just shows that France was not the place for him.

This completely.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 17, 2020, 09:32:45 AM
I think the fact that Sopoaga has hardly played since the break and we've hardly noticed says it all.

I want him to succeed, but with a strong squad, his opportunities will now be limited.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: westwaleswasp on September 18, 2020, 05:03:40 PM
I think Malakai shows the benefit of not coming directly from a glorious career in NZ, having those troubles in France meant he had lower expectations on his shoulders and already experienced NH attritional rugby. He slotted in very, very quickly.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Rossm on September 18, 2020, 05:37:40 PM
Malakai plays like a bull. I would not want to be playing against him.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: loverugby1979 on September 18, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
I think that Sops is a great guy but he hasn't space at Wasps. Like 10. We have Umaga, Jimmy, Atkinson and Mills or  like 15. Minozzi and Miller.

I think that we can saved much money of his contract but giving him a good farewell the next year.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: wasps on September 19, 2020, 09:12:47 AM
Malakai is certainly an intense individual.

Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Horusthewasp on September 27, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
With 2 rounds to go, interesting Premiership title odds (bar the obvious on Exeter) by Skybet:

Exeter Chiefs - 8/13

Bristol - 6/1

Wasps - 6/1

Bath - 13/2

Sale 13/2
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: backdoc on September 27, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
The bookies really can't decide. The odds are astonishingly close.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 29, 2020, 11:47:39 AM
Partial update.


Sale 59 vs
Saints 4
Wuss 4

Bristol 59 vs
Tigers 4
Irish 4

Wasps 66 vs
Chiefs 0

Bath 65 vs
Sarries 0

Exeter 100000
Sale 67
Bristol 67
Wasps 66
Bath 65


Skin of our teeth is my current guestimate... Bath can overtake us if they get equal league points, as they have more wins.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 29, 2020, 12:03:35 PM
Pressure is firmly on Bristol and Sale now with a 7 point gap to those 2, so they cannot afford a slip up.  Wasps and Bath have that first BP win in the bag.  Admittedly Bristol and Sale have what should be an easier run in, but points in the bag more important.  Wasps and Bath have strange final games against the strongest 2 teams in the league (like it or not, on results alone Sarries would be 2nd), but both can only finish 1st and last, so nothing at stake but pride and in Exeter's case a bit of momentum going into the semis and European final.

Here's hoping for a favour or 2 from the E Midlands today and tomorrow!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: MarleyWasp on September 29, 2020, 12:41:41 PM
Having seen the Leicester team I'm not even going to waste my time hoping for a miracle from them.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 29, 2020, 01:13:31 PM
Having seen the Leicester team I'm not even going to waste my time hoping for a miracle from them.

Who thoughts Wasps "reserves" would win against full strength Sarries?

Although looking at that Tigers team I think a repeat of their visit to the Ricoh is more likely!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: backdoc on September 29, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
It looks like we will face Exeter's first team on Sunday.



CHIEFS SIDE TO FACE LONDON IRISH 29th Sept

15 Phil Dollman
14 Facundo Cordero
13 Tom Hendrickson
12 Ollie Devoto
11 Olly Woodburn
10 Harvey Skinner
9 Stu Townsend
1 Billy Keast
2 Jack Innard
3 Marcus Street
4 Will Witty
5 Tom Price
6 Richard Capstick
7 Don Armand (capt)
8 Aaron Hinkley

16 Elvis Taione
17 James Kenny
18 Alfie Petch
19 Dave Dennis
20 Charlie Wright
21 Sam Maunder
22 Jack Walsh
23 Corey Baldwin
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 29, 2020, 04:09:49 PM
No surprise there.  Maybe not all out and out first team as I'm sure there'll be a few minor niggles that just won't be worth the risk at this stage, but very much there or thereabouts.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 29, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
Spoiler
Well, Sale are currently walking all over Saints.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 29, 2020, 06:12:10 PM
Dan Biggar gift wrapped one try. Not helping our cause.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 29, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
Dan Biggar gift wrapped one try. Not helping our cause.

I've counted 3 nasty bounces of the ball against Saints now, one losing them a great deal of field position, the other two leading directly to scores. Disappointing, as they're not looking too bad.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: RBB on September 29, 2020, 07:09:57 PM
Saints right back in it, then just as I say it Ludlam looks broken.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 29, 2020, 07:12:56 PM
No crowd noise = lots of swearing saffer voices.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: RBB on September 29, 2020, 07:14:49 PM
And....Sale score their 5th try, probably all over now.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: SteveTodd on September 29, 2020, 07:44:12 PM
What sort of team will Saracens field against Bath? That seems like a good chance of making the play offs, if it doesn't go well for us against Exeter.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Steve from Cov on September 29, 2020, 07:44:38 PM
It looks like we will face Exeter's first team on Sunday.



CHIEFS SIDE TO FACE LONDON IRISH 29th Sept

15 Phil Dollman
14 Facundo Cordero
13 Tom Hendrickson
12 Ollie Devoto
11 Olly Woodburn
10 Harvey Skinner
9 Stu Townsend
1 Billy Keast
2 Jack Innard
3 Marcus Street
4 Will Witty
5 Tom Price
6 Richard Capstick
7 Don Armand (capt)
8 Aaron Hinkley

16 Elvis Taione
17 James Kenny
18 Alfie Petch
19 Dave Dennis
20 Charlie Wright
21 Sam Maunder
22 Jack Walsh
23 Corey Baldwin

I can’t see Exeter playing their strongest team against us. I feel they will rest a number.

If they do play their big boys - last week’s game will have sapped a lot of energy from a number of them and Wasps have more to play for.

My early prediction is for a Wasps victory and a home semi-final place.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: backdoc on September 29, 2020, 07:54:18 PM
Exeter do have a squad of 60.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: andermt on September 30, 2020, 07:38:27 AM
What sort of team will Saracens field against Bath? That seems like a good chance of making the play offs, if it doesn't go well for us against Exeter.

Sarries will be all out to win that game. Last match for a few players and they will want to stick 2 fingers up to the premiership.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: andermt on September 30, 2020, 07:53:58 AM
Just had a look at the table, now the BBC have updated it.

Dimes made a big thing in his post match interview last night about needing the bonus point. I understand the reasons now.

Bristol are currently 7 points behind Wasps (as were Sale).
No bonus point in a win tonight and they are still 3 behind. If they get a bonus point win on the last weekend and Wasps get 2 bonus points vs Exeter I think we are still top 4 as Bristols points difference is poor.

I may be wrong but I think a bonus point win for Sale guarantees them top 4, a Win for wasps is top 4, same for Bath. Due to wins and points difference, even a bonus point win for Bristol doesn't guarantee them top 4, they need someone else to lose.

Tonights game is critical from Bristol to put pressure on the other teams at the weekend.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Trevs Big Tackle on September 30, 2020, 08:06:52 AM
Are the last round of games all played at the same time? Or will some clubs kick off knowing other results and exactly what result they need?
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Neils on September 30, 2020, 08:20:47 AM
Are the last round of games all played at the same time? Or will some clubs kick off knowing other results and exactly what result they need?

Yes.

Even BT not saying who their main BT 1 and BT 3 games are with the rest red buttoned.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: andermt on September 30, 2020, 09:55:19 AM
Every game kicks off at the same time on Sunday.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 30, 2020, 10:21:14 AM
Bristol are currently 7 points behind Wasps (as were Sale).
No bonus point in a win tonight and they are still 3 behind. If they get a bonus point win on the last weekend and Wasps get 2 bonus points vs Exeter I think we are still top 4 as Bristols points difference is poor.

I may be wrong but I think a bonus point win for Sale guarantees them top 4, a Win for wasps is top 4, same for Bath. Due to wins and points difference, even a bonus point win for Bristol doesn't guarantee them top 4, they need someone else to lose.

Tonights game is critical from Bristol to put pressure on the other teams at the weekend.

Points difference comes after number of wins if teams are level on league points.  In the scenario above, Bristol finish ahead with 14 wins to Wasps 13.

From Wasps point of view it is pretty simple.  Win against Exeter guarantees top 4; score 4 tries in the process and it's a home semi.  Lose to Exeter and we rely on others slipping up.  Realistically our best chance of that is for Sarries to turn Bath over.  As someone said above, I think Sarries will be massively up for that one now Europe has gone.  Last game for a number of players, plus the need to stick two fingers up at the Premiership before their little sabbatical.  But let's just keep it simple and do a number on Exeter! :)
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 30, 2020, 11:01:00 AM
Problem is with relying on Sarries, is if Bath get a BP, and level up points with us, they still go ahead of us.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: RogerE on September 30, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
For once I am not too worried about where we finish.

If we get a top 4 place all well and good, but, to be honest, I am so pleased that we are even in the running after our season start.

At the start of the season I wanted us to get a top 6 placing, so qualifying for the European Cup. By a few weeks in I was hoping we would avoid relegation. Now, to be even talking about the playoffs, means we are in such a better place that I will be really happy with a close 5th place.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 30, 2020, 11:30:19 AM
For once I am not too worried about where we finish.

If we get a top 4 place all well and good, but, to be honest, I am so pleased that we are even in the running after our season start.

At the start of the season I wanted us to get a top 6 placing, so qualifying for the European Cup. By a few weeks in I was hoping we would avoid relegation. Now, to be even talking about the playoffs, means we are in such a better place that I will be really happy with a close 5th place.

+1
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Rossm on September 30, 2020, 11:38:26 AM
I think the boys would be very disappointed if they couldn't stay in the top 4.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: hopwood on September 30, 2020, 11:51:17 AM
I think the boys would be very disappointed if they couldn't stay in the top 4.

Agreed.
They'll set their standards and expectations high.
That's what top teams do.

But as fans...I think most of us are just enjoying the ride. A brilliant second half to the season...and sets us up nicely for the next 3-5 years potentially.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Covkid48 on September 30, 2020, 11:57:05 AM
Am i right in thinking that Farrell will be back for the Bath game, lets hope he feels like he has a point to prove.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Tervueren on September 30, 2020, 12:02:29 PM
Am i right in thinking that Farrell will be back for the Bath game, lets hope he feels like he has a point to prove.

That could just mean Bath playing against only 14 for 60+ minutes
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Covkid48 on September 30, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
But he could take Preistland  out in the process
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: LCross900 on September 30, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
Wasps definitely have tougher job against Exeter, you look at Sarries recent results and they are now an unknown quantity. Bath could turn them over, as it could be argued it means more to them making the play-offs
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Horusthewasp on September 30, 2020, 01:38:35 PM
Bath could turn them over, as it could be argued it means more to them making the play-offs

Why would it mean more to Bath? Our immense turnaround (with the same, if not leaner, squad) is the epitome of a team hungry for success and more.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: LCross900 on September 30, 2020, 01:49:24 PM
Bath could turn them over, as it could be argued it means more to them making the play-offs

Why would it mean more to Bath? Our immense turnaround (with the same, if not leaner, squad) is the epitome of a team hungry for success and more.

Completely agree, but as I said, I just think Exeter are more of challenge than Sarries. I'm not saying that the Wasps boys have any less hunger, nobody could question that after this seasons turnaround, it was more a commentary on the opponents
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: RogerE on September 30, 2020, 01:50:05 PM
I think the boys would be very disappointed if they couldn't stay in the top 4.

Exeter as the final match was always going to be a hard one - any hope of getting into the play-offs should have been acheived before that match.

Considering the various run-ins we have acheived some remarkable results over the last few weeks.

If theyare disappointed, it should be with their performances earlier this season. It that which has meant we are not in a guaranteed play-off position with possibly the hardest match of the final round to play.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 30, 2020, 01:58:40 PM
The other way to look at it is that we need to beat Exeter to win the whole thing anyway, whether it's this game, or in a knock out. We need to now do that arguably twice. If we want to be champions, we should be able to beat them.

That said, I'd not be upset if Bristol lost tonight.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 30, 2020, 02:03:14 PM
I can't help but think back to the narrow home defeats to Irish, Quins and Saints earlier in the season and think "if only...".  But that's water under the bridge now and the upshot is we have a great opportunity to make the playoffs.  It's unlikely anyone will win the Premiership without beating Exeter.  Wasps will probably have to do exactly that twice in the space of a few weeks if they are to go all the way.

Agree with those above that the turnaround in our season has been very enjoyable and the season can be viewed as a success on that basis alone.  Playoffs just the icing on the cake, home semi / reaching the final would be the cherry on top.  In January, the cake itself looked fit for the bin!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Horusthewasp on September 30, 2020, 02:50:04 PM
Bath could turn them over, as it could be argued it means more to them making the play-offs

Why would it mean more to Bath? Our immense turnaround (with the same, if not leaner, squad) is the epitome of a team hungry for success and more.

Completely agree, but as I said, I just think Exeter are more of challenge than Sarries. I'm not saying that the Wasps boys have any less hunger, nobody could question that after this seasons turnaround, it was more a commentary on the opponents

I see your point but I’d still say that Wasps will have the edge over Bath in terms of mentality and momentum. As for Exeter and Sarries, remember the former has 1 final (likely 2) and a SF coming up within a couple of weeks plus they’ve already secured a home SF (so Wasps is effectively a dead rubber game), while the latter will be playing their last Premiership game so will want to make a statement and end their “era” with a symbolic high.

I think the boys would be very disappointed if they couldn't stay in the top 4.

Exeter as the final match was always going to be a hard one - any hope of getting into the play-offs should have been acheived before that match.

Considering the various run-ins we have acheived some remarkable results over the last few weeks.

If they are disappointed, it should be with their performances earlier this season. It that which has meant we are not in a guaranteed play-off position with possibly the hardest match of the final round to play.

Although true to a certain extent, that sounds tad harsh given the countless on and off field issues earlier this season. That remarkable (and almost immediate) turnaround after that 60-10 thrashing of Sarries was a clear indication that there were fundamental issues holding back the group - it was almost like Wasps were two completely different teams pre and post Dai (a gentleman I hold in high esteem).

Back to this Sunday, although it will be a very tough fixture, if the games against Sarries (both), Bath, Sharks, Quins or Tigers are anything to go by then we absolutely have the capability to get the result needed.

That said, I'd not be upset if Bristol lost tonight.

With all due respect to the selected Leicester players, but with the squad they’ve put out for tonight, it’s almost like they want to beat the record they ‘set’ at the Ricoh earlier this month for their biggest-ever league defeat.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: LCross900 on September 30, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
Bath could turn them over, as it could be argued it means more to them making the play-offs

Why would it mean more to Bath? Our immense turnaround (with the same, if not leaner, squad) is the epitome of a team hungry for success and more.

Completely agree, but as I said, I just think Exeter are more of challenge than Sarries. I'm not saying that the Wasps boys have any less hunger, nobody could question that after this seasons turnaround, it was more a commentary on the opponents

I see your point but I’d still say that Wasps will have the edge over Bath in terms of mentality and momentum. As for Exeter and Sarries, remember the former has 1 final (likely 2) and a SF coming up within a couple of weeks plus they’ve already secured a home SF (so Wasps is effectively a dead rubber game), while the latter will be playing their last Premiership game so will want to make a statement and end their “era” with a symbolic high.

Good point, I hope you're right. I think it is just when I think Wasps v Exeter, I get the flashbacks to the 2016 Semi Final...
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on September 30, 2020, 04:47:37 PM
Good point, I hope you're right. I think it is just when I think Wasps v Exeter, I get the flashbacks to the 2016 Semi Final...

I suggest you go and lock yourself in a darkened room and watch this on repeat until the the 2016 semi has been fully banished from your memory! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8H4R4XS7dM
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 30, 2020, 07:06:57 PM
Some interesting scores so far out there on this horribly wet night.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: andermt on September 30, 2020, 07:08:10 PM
Bristol are currently 7 points behind Wasps (as were Sale).
No bonus point in a win tonight and they are still 3 behind. If they get a bonus point win on the last weekend and Wasps get 2 bonus points vs Exeter I think we are still top 4 as Bristols points difference is poor.

I may be wrong but I think a bonus point win for Sale guarantees them top 4, a Win for wasps is top 4, same for Bath. Due to wins and points difference, even a bonus point win for Bristol doesn't guarantee them top 4, they need someone else to lose.

Tonights game is critical from Bristol to put pressure on the other teams at the weekend.

Points difference comes after number of wins if teams are level on league points.  In the scenario above, Bristol finish ahead with 14 wins to Wasps 13.


Forgot Bristol would have 2 more wins taking them to one more than Wasps
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 30, 2020, 07:22:01 PM
Well, Irish did it.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 30, 2020, 07:23:48 PM
and looks like Wuss have beaten Sarries too?
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Mellie on September 30, 2020, 07:55:20 PM
and looks like Wuss have beaten Sarries too?

Interesting...since they got a bonus point Wuss could get 8th place off Glos if they win and Glos lose and they both get same bonus points. So an incentive for Wuss to beat Sale!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 30, 2020, 08:04:22 PM
and looks like Wuss have beaten Sarries too?

Interesting...since they got a bonus point Wuss could get 8th place off Glos if they win and Glos lose and they both get same bonus points. So an incentive for Wuss to beat Sale!

That's huge news actually, Wuss will fight for every point.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Raggs on September 30, 2020, 08:07:25 PM
Sale 64 vs
Wuss 4

Bristol 64 vs
Irish 4

Wasps 66 vs
Chiefs 0

Bath 65 vs
Sarries 0

Exeter 100000
Sale 69
Bristol 68
Wasps 66
Bath 65

Bloody hell it's coming down to the wire.

Sarries won't go down without a fight. Neither will Wuss now. Irish apparently haven't stopped fighting either!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Bloke in North Dorset on September 30, 2020, 08:33:21 PM
If Sarries hadn't had the points deduction they'd be on 65pts as well and that would have made the scrap on Sunday even more complex!

(Yep, I know that the dynamics would have been different in some of the other games if they hadn't been deducted, but its a good what if talking point)
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on September 30, 2020, 08:34:29 PM
Wuss will want to win hoping Glaws don't. Gets them that 8th spot.

Irish want to win and hope Wuss don't, putting them well outside the label of bounce back down team.

Tigers are simply a basket case.

Sarries will want to win to put them in the top 4, except for the penalty points deduction.

Two teams have 14 bonus points; us and Chiefs.

In some ways, we are under the least pressure of the four contenders. At home against a team that will remain top whatever happens.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Brandnewtorugby on September 30, 2020, 09:22:46 PM
It's odd, Exeter looked slow today and slightly half hearted.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: MarleyWasp on September 30, 2020, 09:43:21 PM
Worcester's result today was the most crucial for us. Champions Cup Rugby would be so beneficial for them at the moment in terms of brining in players and sponsors. They certainly have a lot to play for on Sunday.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Horusthewasp on September 30, 2020, 09:44:55 PM
Sale 64 vs
Wuss 4

Bristol 64 vs
Irish 4

Wasps 66 vs
Chiefs 0

Bath 65 vs
Sarries 0

Exeter 100000
Sale 69
Bristol 68
Wasps 66
Bath 65

Bloody hell it's coming down to the wire.

Sarries won't go down without a fight. Neither will Wuss now. Irish apparently haven't stopped fighting either!

Despite Irish & Worcester’s results today (chapeau to them), I think Sale & Bristol will both secure TBP wins.


It's odd, Exeter looked slow today and slightly half hearted.

Lets hope their first XV team have the same lethargy against us then!
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: 13thWarrior on October 01, 2020, 06:32:42 AM
So, it comes down to us needing a favour off Saracens. Well played universe, well played.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: coddy on October 01, 2020, 06:41:32 AM
So, it comes down to us needing a favour off Saracens. Well played universe, well played.


Only if we fail to beat Exeter.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Vespula Vulgaris on October 01, 2020, 07:25:03 AM
So, it comes down to us needing a favour off Saracens. Well played universe, well played.

If we manage to take 5 points then we finish 2nd.


Only if we fail to beat Exeter.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: 13thWarrior on October 01, 2020, 08:53:06 AM
So, it comes down to us needing a favour off Saracens. Well played universe, well played.


Only if we fail to beat Exeter.
Technically true, but I am of the opinion that a rested Exeter first team, tooling up for several of the biggest games of their careers, will not be messing about. They are top by some distance for a reason.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: DGP Wasp on October 01, 2020, 09:25:33 AM
So, it comes down to us needing a favour off Saracens. Well played universe, well played.


Only if we fail to beat Exeter.
Technically true, but I am of the opinion that a rested Exeter first team, tooling up for several of the biggest games of their careers, will not be messing about. They are top by some distance for a reason.

Have to agree.  If there's a bit of soreness still from the Champions Cup semi, then players may still be rested for this one to allow a full recovery ahead of the really crucial games to come, so may not be 100% full strength Chiefs.  Such a shame us fans can't go.  Would've been a big crowd for this one with so much at stake, and that could've made a difference.  Empty stadiums do negate home advantage to a large extent.  (I'm sure someone will have some stats for home/away wins before and after lockdown to either prove or disprove that assumption)
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: andermt on October 01, 2020, 09:26:16 AM
So, it comes down to us needing a favour off Saracens. Well played universe, well played.


Only if we fail to beat Exeter.
Technically true, but I am of the opinion that a rested Exeter first team, tooling up for several of the biggest games of their careers, will not be messing about. They are top by some distance for a reason.

I'm still not sure Exeter will play their full 1st team, there may be a few of the 1st team players than last night but they have some huge games in later weeks that they need to focus on.

Its also interesting that should we get a bonus point win against Exeter and prevent them getting any Bonus points Wasps would finish the season in second, only 3 points behind Exeter. Shows how much those silly losses early in the season cost us.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: NellyWellyWaspy on October 01, 2020, 03:31:17 PM
Of their coming game against Bath on Sunday, Mark McCall is quoted as saying:

"We would like to go out with a bang on Sunday. It will be Brad Barritt’s last game and I don’t know whether he will be available yet as he’s going through the protocols but I really hope he makes it. We won’t lack motivation as it is Richard Wigglesworth’s 250th appearance and 100 for Michael Rhodes."

Sounds like they will be throwing the kitchen sink and a lot more at Bath. Ouch.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Rossm on October 01, 2020, 04:31:57 PM
It's a nightmare. Hoping the EAs win.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: Tervueren on October 01, 2020, 06:15:50 PM
It's a nightmare. Hoping the EAs win.

It was bad enough hoping for Leicester to win [in a match that was not against the EAs], now we want the EAs to win, this is too much, I feel dirty.
Title: Re: The run in.
Post by: andermt on October 01, 2020, 08:40:58 PM
It's a nightmare. Hoping the EAs win.

But only if we lose.

If we win I think I'd like Bath to win as they would potentially be 3rd which would be our semi final. I think that would be the easier semi rather than Sale or Bristol.