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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Wasps update February 2024
« Last post by baldpaul101 on May 14, 2024, 04:14:34 PM »
Not new, but don't think I've seen this on here:

https://localsportsnews.co.uk/wasps-update-on-stadium-plans-as-85-of-the-public-disagree/

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as part of the Local Plan, the District Council asked the public for their responses and under the option marked MX15 ? Pedlam Place the responses were quite damning for the proposed build. Of the 1,379 people who responded, 1,181 either Disagreed or Strongly Disagreed with the plans. 188 Agreed or Strongly Agreed, whilst 10 remained Neutral.

This means a whopping 85.7% of the public do not want the club or the District Council to allow plans for a new stadium on this site.

Now as we all know, this won't mean it isn't going to happen but its hardly a great way to start a new venture p1ssing off a chunk of the local population!

https://www.beesnotwasps.org/pedham-development-action-required/
Some of the links on this page detail the well thought out responses to the proposal, mainly around traffic & green belt land usage. Its the 2,500 new homes they are really campaigning against, the stadium is more of a side issue.
Personally, I can't see it ever happening, but I guess if a developer pays the council enough it might do...
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Just What's Going on at Sixways?
« Last post by Shugs on May 11, 2024, 02:26:45 PM »
I don?t think anyone knows.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Just What's Going on at Sixways?
« Last post by Rossm on May 10, 2024, 09:48:50 PM »
BBC report: Ex-Worcester co-owners upset by new administration

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c9wz4relrzgo
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I recall some very shit teams, like Saints circa 2011, or Tigers in their glory years, who offered nothing outside of the set piece. Set piece dominance should earn the right to good ball and the chance  to play rugby. That is the reward.

If you base your whole game on set piece dominance you deserve to lose.  3 points for winning a scrum is a blight on the game. The full points for collapsing one repeatedly on the 5m line, sure.  3 points for a knock on on the half way followed by a ref's guess? Bollocks.
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In my naivety  and general ''laws ignorance''  it looks to be pretty sensible, with the exception of the red card penalty.  That should remain as the ultimate deterrent  ie, GO.  Do not return. You do the crime  -  you do the time.  You're guilty. End of.
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Inside World Rugby?s ?law labs? ? where the future of the game is shaped

Two UK universities and one in South Africa currently serve as testing grounds for rule changes before the start of in-match trials
Ben Coles, Rugby Reporter 10 May 2024 ? 1:47pm


Tucked away in World Rugby?s announcement on Thursday regarding a number of new law trials being rolled out from the start of July ? including 20-minute red cards and 30-second clocks for scrums and line-outs ? was the news that ?rugby laws labs? are being set up ?to test out new law innovations?.

Telegraph Sport can reveal that the locations for rugby?s laws labs so far include two universities in the United Kingdom and one in South Africa, with scope for another location in France.

The move to set up the labs comes from Phil Davies, the former Wales international and head coach of Leeds Tykes, Scarlets, Cardiff and Namibia, who was appointed as World Rugby?s director of rugby in 2022.

Law ideas have previously gone straight from meeting rooms to in-game trials before being passed or discarded. Creating the law labs, Davies explains, offers a middle ground to test out law variations on the training field, rather than dropping them straight into competitions.


In recent times the trials have been signed off by a number of World Rugby committees with referees Wayne Barnes and Hollie Davidson, coaches Andy Farrell, Jacques Nienaber and Gregor Townsend and former players Jamie Roberts, Rachael Burford and Conrad Smith all involved, along with a number of executives including the RFU chief executive Bill Sweeney and chief financial officer Sue Day, plus World Rugby?s chief executive Alan Gilpin.

Working with universities was previously a key part of World Rugby?s research into the rollout of instrumented mouthguards, used to measure the frequency and intensity of head acceleration environments to monitor concussions, which were first trialled with Cardiff Met University. The labs, according to Davies, will essentially try ?to take theory and turn it into practice a little bit quicker?.

Davies explains: ?It was a bit of a missing link ? you had brilliant research going straight into match practice, rather than having an opportunity to try it in coaching practice and then move forward with a bit more data from a practical point of view.?
?Astonishing amount of data?

Coaches at the universities involved will record video footage of specific drills which will then be sent back to World Rugby for analysis.

The labs will focus initially on scrum forces, while also assessing the responsibilities of the tackler at the breakdown. That area was first discussed four years ago by Richie Gray, the breakdown coach who has previously worked with South Africa, Scotland and Fiji as well as NFL franchises, and Joe Schmidt, who is now head coach of the Wallabies and previously worked as World Rugby?s director of rugby and high performance.

Davies explains: ?Rolling east and west immediately, what does a legal jackal look like, what is the ball carrier?s responsibility ? it?s all those types of experiments which we can try with the assist tackler, or the jackaler if you like.

?I?m not sure how it would look practically, but it?s things like that which we can trial and see what it looks like in a training environment. Then, if we feel there is validity around it, we can take it into a closed trial.?


Through Rhys Jones, World Rugby?s game analysis manager, there are 80 games ?coded? each weekend around the world, giving World Rugby an ?astonishing? amount of data, as Davies puts it. Understanding that information and putting it into practice is the challenge.

?If you look at the breakdown, on average at the moment there are 187 breakdowns in a game, and the referee is blowing their whistle 4.4 per cent of the time. If someone tells you that you have 95 per cent success rate in a certain area of your business, you would be pretty happy about that. It?s about how we apply the data and what story that data tells us in relation to how we improve the game.

?When you think how technical rugby union is, the number of contests and level of technical skill at speed and force in play, it?s incredible, you know? That?s why at some times it?s important to look at the data and paint a wider picture, to give it a bit more perspective. Instead of ?ah, there is too much kicking, too many scrum resets? ? sometimes we will look at the data and it?s not necessarily the case.?

Coaches including Exeter?s Rob Baxter have not held back in their criticism of the sport trying to change too much too quickly, with goal-line dropouts, 50:22 kicks, shot clocks for kicks at goal and the instrumented mouthguards all recent innovations.

The key for Davies, and World Rugby, is finding the right balance between improving safety and spectacle while trying to avoid unnecessary tinkering.

?Modern society is running at 200 miles an hour, let alone 100 miles an hour. Things are evolving so quickly, it?s only right and proper that you address things in the game to improve the safety and the spectacle,? adds Davies.

?I think the balance is right, it?s there. A lot of the time the data can give you that balanced perspective in order to make changes, or to go back and reaffirm what is in the law book rather than making change for change?s sake. It?s a fine balance, but we do well in the respect that we are always looking at how we can improve.?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Rugby introduces three new laws, and trials six more
« Last post by RogerE on May 10, 2024, 04:05:26 PM »
Have to agree with Coddy - think that nowadays the scrum is used too much as a powerplay option - milk a penalty and kick to the corner to get a rolling maul (another pet hate of mine - the only remaining type of obstruction left in the game).

Scrums should be played to completion, just like back in the 60s/70s, unless a dangerous situation occurs, when a reset allowed. All penalties changed to a free-kick (after all pushing too early is a free kick, and is that really a lesser offence than losing the bind?)

Someone I know, who at best could be described as someone who sometimes watches suggests that if a scrum offence occurs a new scrum is awarded 10m further up the pitch for the first offence, and if it happens again then a free kick.
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Because dominant teams then get a penalty just for being better at scrummaging. One of my pet hates.

Long restarts will still be contestable, this new rule will speed up the game by negating somewhat the boring caterpillar at the ruck.

Kind of agree, but why then not change the rules to make a team with dominant scrum play the ball once its one rather than milk a penalty, isn't that dealing with the actual issue?
If the idea is to reduce the caterpillar, then change the rules around that rather than that around taking a mark from a restart?
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Re: Rugby introduces three new laws, and trials six more
« Last post by coddy on May 10, 2024, 12:46:15 PM »
All of that actually (& rather surprisingly given the quote "Explaining that their plan "seeks to increase rugby's accessibility and relevance among a broader, younger fan base by embracing on-field innovation and re-imagined presentation of the sport with compelling storytelling") makes some sense with the exception of:

Scrum from a free kick - I don't see why a team with a dominant scrum shouldn't be allowed to capitalise on that.

20 Min red card -The issue is that red cards that are mandated for dangerous play are being applied to errors or mistakes rather than malicious action & ruining too many games. Fix that problem rather than allow a replacement after 20 mins

Marks from restarts - a long restart with a decent chase is just as contestable as a shorter one & shows more skill. Why remove that?



Because dominant teams then get a penalty just for being better at scrummaging. One of my pet hates.


Long restarts will still be contestable, this new rule will speed up the game by negating somewhat the boring caterpillar at the ruck.


Looks like some common sense ideas to me.
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All of that actually (& rather surprisingly given the quote "Explaining that their plan "seeks to increase rugby's accessibility and relevance among a broader, younger fan base by embracing on-field innovation and re-imagined presentation of the sport with compelling storytelling") makes some sense with the exception of:

Scrum from a free kick - I don't see why a team with a dominant scrum shouldn't be allowed to capitalise on that.

20 Min red card -The issue is that red cards that are mandated for dangerous play are being applied to errors or mistakes rather than malicious action & ruining too many games. Fix that problem rather than allow a replacement after 20 mins

Marks from restarts - a long restart with a decent chase is just as contestable as a shorter one & shows more skill. Why remove that?
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