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Wasps Rugby Discussion / The most important week of the season?
« on: March 28, 2021, 08:56:32 PM »
Yesterday was, to be frank, the lowest point of this season. From the heights of a line out away from a premiership title just a few months previously to being unable to get a win at home versus a team working against 4 yellow card is quite a fall from grace. I wrote yesterday that I was angry, and that still stands as we know we have a team that can do better, and although less will agree, I believe we have a head coach who can deliver more, and this is why the angst is measurably more.
So how do we turn it around?
Given where we are in the season it MUST start Saturday against Clermont Auvergne. There are no more last chance saloons, no more ‘We must turn it around next week’, there is only now, and this is why the next week will be pivotal. The boys will start the process tomorrow, and no week will be bigger. Get it right, get the training right, get the preparation right, get the selection right, get the emotions right and next Saturday could be the start of the revival....It’s time, so despite our current emotions, let’s get behind them!
Chris
Once a Wasp ALWAYS a Wasp
So how do we turn it around?
Given where we are in the season it MUST start Saturday against Clermont Auvergne. There are no more last chance saloons, no more ‘We must turn it around next week’, there is only now, and this is why the next week will be pivotal. The boys will start the process tomorrow, and no week will be bigger. Get it right, get the training right, get the preparation right, get the selection right, get the emotions right and next Saturday could be the start of the revival....It’s time, so despite our current emotions, let’s get behind them!
Chris
Once a Wasp ALWAYS a Wasp
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Wasps v Sale: Post match thoughts.
« on: March 27, 2021, 06:29:37 PM »
You deserve what you get, and we deserve to be sitting near the bottom of the table with little chance of making it to the top 6.
Today was an embarrassment. There is no point calling it anything else because that is exactly what it was. No team that loses to a team that has had 4 yellow cards to fight through, even if they are pushing top 4, deserve understanding or the chance to provide excuses. Sale were fantastic today, yes they lost their discipline, but they had heart and fight in bucket loads.
We have no confidence and lack brain power. Facing 13 men you do not take 3 points, you trust your processes, your systems, you play the game plan you trust, and you score tries and take the game away from The opposition. Instead we clearly demonstrated a lack of confidence and a lack of trust.
I will be frank here, I am angry! I am angry that our lads put in that performance today, I am angry that we made error after error after error. I am angry that out leaders did not take control when control was needed. But I am most angry that we have a squad far more capable than that and with the ability to play better. There is no greater failure than not playing to your potential or ability, yet we gave a great example of just this.
Season goals must now be adjusted. Give Claremont a crack next week, but a win on these performances is just fanciful, and unless we improve markedly it will be a heavy defeat. However top 6 even looks unlikely now, to actually get there would be a miracle.
They all have negative covid tests, perhaps tonight is about them all -players and coaches- going into the sports hall, ordering in take away and plenty of crates of beer, shuttling the door and have a long discussion to sort this, because another game like this should never happen again.
Today was an embarrassment. There is no point calling it anything else because that is exactly what it was. No team that loses to a team that has had 4 yellow cards to fight through, even if they are pushing top 4, deserve understanding or the chance to provide excuses. Sale were fantastic today, yes they lost their discipline, but they had heart and fight in bucket loads.
We have no confidence and lack brain power. Facing 13 men you do not take 3 points, you trust your processes, your systems, you play the game plan you trust, and you score tries and take the game away from The opposition. Instead we clearly demonstrated a lack of confidence and a lack of trust.
I will be frank here, I am angry! I am angry that our lads put in that performance today, I am angry that we made error after error after error. I am angry that out leaders did not take control when control was needed. But I am most angry that we have a squad far more capable than that and with the ability to play better. There is no greater failure than not playing to your potential or ability, yet we gave a great example of just this.
Season goals must now be adjusted. Give Claremont a crack next week, but a win on these performances is just fanciful, and unless we improve markedly it will be a heavy defeat. However top 6 even looks unlikely now, to actually get there would be a miracle.
They all have negative covid tests, perhaps tonight is about them all -players and coaches- going into the sports hall, ordering in take away and plenty of crates of beer, shuttling the door and have a long discussion to sort this, because another game like this should never happen again.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / England & Eddie Jones: Post six nations 2021 thoughts.
« on: March 21, 2021, 07:38:00 AM »
Having had time to assess our performance against Ireland, and to take the tournament as a whole, it seems clear to me that it is not a fault with the players but the attitude and mentality of the coaches, specifically Eddie Jones.
Over 2020 our game plan narrowed, it started to become about slow pace, one out rugby with up n unders time after time after time. We neither respected position or possession. Rather than build upon our attack (which with the player at our disposal and coaching of Simon Amor) Jones decided to ‘hide it until the 2023 world cup’!
Then came the 2021 six nations, folllowing a very uninspired Autumn nations cup. Jones club of personal preference began. Players became undroppable, favouritism replaced form. How else can you explain picking players such as Vunipola, Daly, Farrell when the likes of Dombrant, the Simmonds brothers, Malins were bang in form (at least we got the latter towards the end). But then you look at Ben Young’s, a player who’s form is consistent in its inconsistency. And blows hot and cold More times than my Dyson. Constantly leaving Robson on the bench and not playing Randall, although injury curtailed that chance. There is also an argument why Marcus Smith should be included, he has been performing very well in an inspired Harlequins team this season, but Jones preferred his tried and truste.......no hang on....tried and personally favoured. But remember these selections are from the man who said “selection is not important” so should we be surprised? We have players literally banging down the door who deserved selection, yet this last 18 months has demonstrated we have a head coach without the ability to do so.
What is infuriating is that this England selection can perform, France proved this point. The above choices would have simply strengthened an already capable team, whilst also keeeping performance standards high, whilst making those out of form realise there is no irreplaceable man. The red rose shirts are borrowed only, and should be worn with a sense of duty and privilege to give your all for the shirt and to respect the history of those that have worn it.
And maybe that leads me to my key thought. History and culture, playing for England is and always will be a privilege, it is a demonstration you are at the top of your game, you are out there to represent those that have been before and those that will follow. If you get the gravitas of this, you get England’s culture. You feel the rose beating in you, you look to the stands at Twickenham, the car park around HQ on match days, the road from the train station, the hoards in Twickers and around the country to their homes, their pubs, their rugby clubs, white shirts adorned, hopes high and excitement palpable. You understand the excitement as the build up in test week starts, not only at Pennyhill Park, but all of us at home, at work, pouring over reports and media just to get a tiny insight into our chances. You recognise that while you are in the team meeting, countless others are having similar excitable conversations with their friends and family over a cup of tea or a glass of ale. And when you see the magnificent stands of Twickenham as you approach, the golden lions over the gates, you hear he cheers of those that support and give up so much of their time and themselves to the game and the country they love as you walk to the changing rooms and see the names of those before you at your seat. And as you run out into the stadium to a cacophony of passionate support and hope, and when you belt out your anthem, if you do not feel that privilege then, then you will never play like your life depends on it and those playing standards from all will never be consistently high enough for us to achieve what we all would love to achieve.
Yet all Eddie Jones sees is a building with lots of seats and a changing room he calls ‘the sheds’. No man who sets up a team like he does, provides a style that inhibits rather than releases, that picks favourites over form, and sees Twickenham as bricks and mortar can ever truly understand what it means to us all, and cannot lead us to a successful future.
Sometime when you're feeling important;
Sometime when your ego 's in bloom;
Sometime when you take it for granted,
You're the best qualified in the room:
Sometime when you feel that your going,
Would leave an unfillable hole,
Just follow these simple instructions,
And see how they humble your soul.
Take a bucket and fill it with water,
Put your hand in it up to the wrist,
Pull it out and the hole that's remaining,
Is a measure of how much you'll be missed.
You can splash all you wish when you enter,
You may stir up the water galore,
But stop, and you'll find that in no time,
It looks quite the same as before.
The moral of this quaint example,
Is to do just the best that you can,
Be proud of yourself but remember,
There's no indispensable man
Saxon White Kessinger
Over 2020 our game plan narrowed, it started to become about slow pace, one out rugby with up n unders time after time after time. We neither respected position or possession. Rather than build upon our attack (which with the player at our disposal and coaching of Simon Amor) Jones decided to ‘hide it until the 2023 world cup’!
Then came the 2021 six nations, folllowing a very uninspired Autumn nations cup. Jones club of personal preference began. Players became undroppable, favouritism replaced form. How else can you explain picking players such as Vunipola, Daly, Farrell when the likes of Dombrant, the Simmonds brothers, Malins were bang in form (at least we got the latter towards the end). But then you look at Ben Young’s, a player who’s form is consistent in its inconsistency. And blows hot and cold More times than my Dyson. Constantly leaving Robson on the bench and not playing Randall, although injury curtailed that chance. There is also an argument why Marcus Smith should be included, he has been performing very well in an inspired Harlequins team this season, but Jones preferred his tried and truste.......no hang on....tried and personally favoured. But remember these selections are from the man who said “selection is not important” so should we be surprised? We have players literally banging down the door who deserved selection, yet this last 18 months has demonstrated we have a head coach without the ability to do so.
What is infuriating is that this England selection can perform, France proved this point. The above choices would have simply strengthened an already capable team, whilst also keeeping performance standards high, whilst making those out of form realise there is no irreplaceable man. The red rose shirts are borrowed only, and should be worn with a sense of duty and privilege to give your all for the shirt and to respect the history of those that have worn it.
And maybe that leads me to my key thought. History and culture, playing for England is and always will be a privilege, it is a demonstration you are at the top of your game, you are out there to represent those that have been before and those that will follow. If you get the gravitas of this, you get England’s culture. You feel the rose beating in you, you look to the stands at Twickenham, the car park around HQ on match days, the road from the train station, the hoards in Twickers and around the country to their homes, their pubs, their rugby clubs, white shirts adorned, hopes high and excitement palpable. You understand the excitement as the build up in test week starts, not only at Pennyhill Park, but all of us at home, at work, pouring over reports and media just to get a tiny insight into our chances. You recognise that while you are in the team meeting, countless others are having similar excitable conversations with their friends and family over a cup of tea or a glass of ale. And when you see the magnificent stands of Twickenham as you approach, the golden lions over the gates, you hear he cheers of those that support and give up so much of their time and themselves to the game and the country they love as you walk to the changing rooms and see the names of those before you at your seat. And as you run out into the stadium to a cacophony of passionate support and hope, and when you belt out your anthem, if you do not feel that privilege then, then you will never play like your life depends on it and those playing standards from all will never be consistently high enough for us to achieve what we all would love to achieve.
Yet all Eddie Jones sees is a building with lots of seats and a changing room he calls ‘the sheds’. No man who sets up a team like he does, provides a style that inhibits rather than releases, that picks favourites over form, and sees Twickenham as bricks and mortar can ever truly understand what it means to us all, and cannot lead us to a successful future.
Sometime when you're feeling important;
Sometime when your ego 's in bloom;
Sometime when you take it for granted,
You're the best qualified in the room:
Sometime when you feel that your going,
Would leave an unfillable hole,
Just follow these simple instructions,
And see how they humble your soul.
Take a bucket and fill it with water,
Put your hand in it up to the wrist,
Pull it out and the hole that's remaining,
Is a measure of how much you'll be missed.
You can splash all you wish when you enter,
You may stir up the water galore,
But stop, and you'll find that in no time,
It looks quite the same as before.
The moral of this quaint example,
Is to do just the best that you can,
Be proud of yourself but remember,
There's no indispensable man
Saxon White Kessinger
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Newcastle V Wasps: Post match thoughts.
« on: March 19, 2021, 10:26:29 PM »
To borrow a old football adage (that also makes me hark back to ITV Saint and Greavsie)...
A game of 2 halves.
One forty where our discipline and accuracy was once more found wanting, followed by a half of ferocity that warmed the forward loving half of my black and gold heart.
Let’s start with the Argentine elephant in the room. I honestly thought one of the most despicable acts a player can do to another on the field of play was consigned to the annals of history...tonight proved otherwise. It was deplorable, and Richards frankly incoherent and immature response during the interview has lowered my respect for him. Rather than sounding like you’ve got the master key to the clubhouse bar, be adult, stand up for what is right! And that is calling out Abhorrent acts and condemning them even if it is one of your own. “Judge a man not by how he wins, but by how he loses” one week Gopps demonstrates how to behave, then 7 days later Newks winger and the DOR perform the exact opposite. A long ban is deserved.
But to the game:
One of the hardest things in rugby is getting a win when you are losing. It can be like trying to turn a tankers in a force 12 gale on one engine. The effort it takes to swing that momentum, gain an edge and cross the finishing line ahead can be monstrous. The lads achieved this in a 40 minute performance, however although we have turned the bow it is up to us to ensure the wind is in our favour and smooth sailing lays ahead. Complacency and lack of taking on board hard lessons of how we got into troubled waters should not be forgotten less we end up running towards the shoals once more. Yet with Lee at the helm, Launchers back, a rampaging Alfie (no ring rust on our boy!) and a combative Ogre things look better.. but hard work lies ahead, especially if we want a tilt at Europe and top 6.
But for tonight, let’s enjoy the win!
Chris
Once a Wasp ALWAYS a Wasp.
A game of 2 halves.
One forty where our discipline and accuracy was once more found wanting, followed by a half of ferocity that warmed the forward loving half of my black and gold heart.
Let’s start with the Argentine elephant in the room. I honestly thought one of the most despicable acts a player can do to another on the field of play was consigned to the annals of history...tonight proved otherwise. It was deplorable, and Richards frankly incoherent and immature response during the interview has lowered my respect for him. Rather than sounding like you’ve got the master key to the clubhouse bar, be adult, stand up for what is right! And that is calling out Abhorrent acts and condemning them even if it is one of your own. “Judge a man not by how he wins, but by how he loses” one week Gopps demonstrates how to behave, then 7 days later Newks winger and the DOR perform the exact opposite. A long ban is deserved.
But to the game:
One of the hardest things in rugby is getting a win when you are losing. It can be like trying to turn a tankers in a force 12 gale on one engine. The effort it takes to swing that momentum, gain an edge and cross the finishing line ahead can be monstrous. The lads achieved this in a 40 minute performance, however although we have turned the bow it is up to us to ensure the wind is in our favour and smooth sailing lays ahead. Complacency and lack of taking on board hard lessons of how we got into troubled waters should not be forgotten less we end up running towards the shoals once more. Yet with Lee at the helm, Launchers back, a rampaging Alfie (no ring rust on our boy!) and a combative Ogre things look better.. but hard work lies ahead, especially if we want a tilt at Europe and top 6.
But for tonight, let’s enjoy the win!
Chris
Once a Wasp ALWAYS a Wasp.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Bristol V Wasps: Post match thoughts.
« on: March 12, 2021, 09:43:38 PM »
Groundhog Day
Lose the gain line lose the game.
It is becoming a little bit repetitious, and I sound like a broken record, but discipline! Game after game after game after game after.......well you see my point. Once more we give up field position, possession and points. So many soft penalties I given away it is just embarrassing.
A promising first half ends with a second where the home side out muscled, out fought and out managed us. The little ball we had was shovelled around and their was no fluidity, and all because we cannot stay in a physical contest. You lose that, you lose the gain line you lose it all.
Young’s aside we have so few Jacklers of the ball that we have lost the edge we had last season, no one is putting their hands up by putting their heads down and getting in there to win that most vital of things....the ball!!
We must continue this journey and must develop an entire squad capable of playing at the top, I stand fully behind that. But frankly they need to become more physical and dominant in the forwards, the set piece and gain line otherwise defeat after defeat will follow.
Sights must now be adjusted, goals reset. Forget top 4, we are no where near capable of that and there are too many better teams in this league to let us get into that group. Top 6 is possible, but only if we develop hugely and get form players back while the wider squad develops in every facet of the game......Have a real crack at Europe but for the love of the big man....develop and show that next season we start moving upwards!
Lose the gain line lose the game.
It is becoming a little bit repetitious, and I sound like a broken record, but discipline! Game after game after game after game after.......well you see my point. Once more we give up field position, possession and points. So many soft penalties I given away it is just embarrassing.
A promising first half ends with a second where the home side out muscled, out fought and out managed us. The little ball we had was shovelled around and their was no fluidity, and all because we cannot stay in a physical contest. You lose that, you lose the gain line you lose it all.
Young’s aside we have so few Jacklers of the ball that we have lost the edge we had last season, no one is putting their hands up by putting their heads down and getting in there to win that most vital of things....the ball!!
We must continue this journey and must develop an entire squad capable of playing at the top, I stand fully behind that. But frankly they need to become more physical and dominant in the forwards, the set piece and gain line otherwise defeat after defeat will follow.
Sights must now be adjusted, goals reset. Forget top 4, we are no where near capable of that and there are too many better teams in this league to let us get into that group. Top 6 is possible, but only if we develop hugely and get form players back while the wider squad develops in every facet of the game......Have a real crack at Europe but for the love of the big man....develop and show that next season we start moving upwards!
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Wasps v Gloucester Post Match Thoughts.
« on: March 06, 2021, 05:29:07 PM »
A new week creates a new problem.....
How do you solve a problem like Wasps?
Let me start by discussing the red card. Forget what the TMO said by calling "rugby incident". In years before and before the head injury and dementia discussion he would be right, however this is no longer the case. Intent is no longer important, it is outcome. Head contact means immediate starting point is red card and needs to be reduced by evidence. Thorley had a clear line of sight, he did not dip to tackle, there is no mitigation, he accelerated into the contact and contact was with the head and with force.....when you break it down as Carley did the outcome is clear and correct. This is a hard process the game is going through, however if we are to make our physical game as safe as possible, then this is a journey we must continue to follow.
To the game....and this weeks problem - besides discipline, profligate with ball in hand and set piece creaking once more, they are already known problems, and the reason we were 17 - 0 down after 40 minutes - is naivety. 19 - 17 up, final 10 minutes, scrum to us, what do we do? try to play from the base taking advantage of our one man advantage out wide to gain ground? No. How about a one out pass, crash ball, quick ruck and clever kick behind the defence into the Glos 22 forcing them to play from their red zone? sensible...but no. Try to buy a penalty from the scrum despite being in kicking range of 36? Why not! It was far to high risk and we, right, got punished when Glos won the scrum penalty. Sir Clive Woodward utilised the term TCUP/Thinking Clearly Under Pressure. It is this...the top 2 inches, that much needed commodity when fatigue is aplenty and the game is tight that leads players, leaders and teams make the right decision. Unfortunately this is missing at present....and against 14 men, the already poor excuses have no place to hide...this is a game we should of won.
But I will not throw the baby out with the bath water, there were positives. JTA much improved and his try scoring offload sublime. Miller has provided stability at full back that we need. Umaga had an improved performance, Ogre combative and everywhere. Youngs is back. We showed that when we dictate the speed of the game we can score and score well. Our defence was much improved over recent weeks. Younger and more inexperienced players are getting game time.
So where does this leave us? Well although Glos are an improving force, we should be closing these games out. Luckily we have senior players to return, and their performance and leadership is much needed, however we must still develop the whole squad so we do not dip like this in international windows and when injuries hit in the future.
Although last season is fresh in the mind, to think we can get top 4 now is fanciful, there is not enough in our game, our forwards, our back play, our set piece, our discipline and indeed our decision making this term to push to that level. Top 6 is a possibility, but we are going to have to improve greatly to get there, and on recent performances it is an outside bet rather than a prediction to be confident about.
Next up is away to Bristol....and looking at the form going into this we have two hopes of winning....My expectations will be hoping for a much better performance both in body and mind, and maybe a losing bonus point if we are lucky.
How do you solve a problem like Wasps?
Let me start by discussing the red card. Forget what the TMO said by calling "rugby incident". In years before and before the head injury and dementia discussion he would be right, however this is no longer the case. Intent is no longer important, it is outcome. Head contact means immediate starting point is red card and needs to be reduced by evidence. Thorley had a clear line of sight, he did not dip to tackle, there is no mitigation, he accelerated into the contact and contact was with the head and with force.....when you break it down as Carley did the outcome is clear and correct. This is a hard process the game is going through, however if we are to make our physical game as safe as possible, then this is a journey we must continue to follow.
To the game....and this weeks problem - besides discipline, profligate with ball in hand and set piece creaking once more, they are already known problems, and the reason we were 17 - 0 down after 40 minutes - is naivety. 19 - 17 up, final 10 minutes, scrum to us, what do we do? try to play from the base taking advantage of our one man advantage out wide to gain ground? No. How about a one out pass, crash ball, quick ruck and clever kick behind the defence into the Glos 22 forcing them to play from their red zone? sensible...but no. Try to buy a penalty from the scrum despite being in kicking range of 36? Why not! It was far to high risk and we, right, got punished when Glos won the scrum penalty. Sir Clive Woodward utilised the term TCUP/Thinking Clearly Under Pressure. It is this...the top 2 inches, that much needed commodity when fatigue is aplenty and the game is tight that leads players, leaders and teams make the right decision. Unfortunately this is missing at present....and against 14 men, the already poor excuses have no place to hide...this is a game we should of won.
But I will not throw the baby out with the bath water, there were positives. JTA much improved and his try scoring offload sublime. Miller has provided stability at full back that we need. Umaga had an improved performance, Ogre combative and everywhere. Youngs is back. We showed that when we dictate the speed of the game we can score and score well. Our defence was much improved over recent weeks. Younger and more inexperienced players are getting game time.
So where does this leave us? Well although Glos are an improving force, we should be closing these games out. Luckily we have senior players to return, and their performance and leadership is much needed, however we must still develop the whole squad so we do not dip like this in international windows and when injuries hit in the future.
Although last season is fresh in the mind, to think we can get top 4 now is fanciful, there is not enough in our game, our forwards, our back play, our set piece, our discipline and indeed our decision making this term to push to that level. Top 6 is a possibility, but we are going to have to improve greatly to get there, and on recent performances it is an outside bet rather than a prediction to be confident about.
Next up is away to Bristol....and looking at the form going into this we have two hopes of winning....My expectations will be hoping for a much better performance both in body and mind, and maybe a losing bonus point if we are lucky.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / 18 months after the Word cup final: Wales v England post match thoughts
« on: February 28, 2021, 09:39:27 AM »
Yesterday was a culmination of a process Eddie Jones started 18 months ago. We had that wonderful semis final against New Zealand where everything worked to a true exposure of the deficiencies in our play against South Africa not one week later. Eddies lack of a plan B and lack of developing a leadership group capable of thinking independently and adjusting to the threat and challenges the opposition provide was rudely laid bare. No one begrudged South Africas win despite our natural disappointment for losing the final. However equally there was hope that with our set up and with a coach of Eddies experience we would make strides forward to correct that which we failed upon in that final.
What has happened since was the polar opposite of what we hoped would occur. Eddie grew ever more introvert, rather than expanding and learning, he increasingly contracted our play and style. The backs became irrelevant beyond chasing up n under after up n unders. Good line out ball became a simple play of 9-10 and hoof. Eddie became obsessed with playing without the ball and on physicality only. Maybe 20 years ago this would of worked, yet with the advancements in the game this was a strategy that was doomed to failure. New Zealand still form the blueprint, with S.A not far behind. Teams need a solid foundation of defence and discipline, however you also need a effective and dangerous back line, a ability to turn defence into attack in a heartbeat, to play heads up rugby, to think independently, and also to treasure possession when it is hard fought for.....you cannot win games without the ball, yet Jones thought exactly the opposite.
However the above only works if you select the correct players and have a selection policy that reinforces this. All teams need a core leadership group, players that are first names on the teamsheet. However if those players are short of game time, of match fitness or not playing well their places should still be open to alternate selection options. This works on 2 levels;
1: You keep the door open for new players, you generate a pathway, a hope and a goal to aim for. You do not create complacency, and you do not demotivate those trying to breakthrough by creating favouritism. You generate competition where all players know they have to keep their standards high to keep the jersey, and that jersey and number continues to hold the reverence to which it deserves, and is felt by all those who wear it. Eddie Jones has destroyed this by picking players with neither form nor performance to justify selection, and the test side is NEVER the place to be finding this once again. Interestingly with regards to the huge honour of playing for England, on a tour of HQ for my birthday the tour guide said Eddie Jones simply sees the changing room as ‘the sheds’, this one fact exposes a deeper misunderstanding that he does not understand the psychology and environment required, thus taking away the privilege of what it truly means to play for England.
2: You engage the fan and support base. We are intelligent people -aside from those who had access to opposable thumbs and twitter last night to shamefully blast a reporter that asked questions most of us were thinking - and you bring us all together supporting the same goal. This support IS felt by the players and coaches, and equally supports those players and coaches trying to breakthough, reaffirming their drive to get in and be part of it. This agains drives standards higher still as you are selecting the very best. Once more Eddie Jones has not understood nor respected this. His negative style, more combative comments and frankly absurd sentences such as ‘selection is not important.....we are hiding our attacking game until the world cup so others cannot adjust to our style in time’ is far more divisive than unifying.
So we came to this tournament, England seem more a team circling the wagons, distancing more and more from the ethics and core components of the game where successful teams thrive. Discipline, ability, evolution, competition, style have all suffered as a consequence. And then the perfect storm occurred yesterday...we can hide behind questionable refereeing decisions -and that has a part to play- but it should not detract from the sequence of events that has led us to where we are. I ran into a fellow England fan walking yesterday, and like me he felt we would lose the game, and we both reflected the same dissociative signs of struggling to engage with our national team. We both felt performance and discipline were problems, and that we did not have the ability to adjust and overcome. Unfortunately our thoughts were born out. 18 months compressed into 80 minutes in Cardiff.
We are behind the proverbial 8 ball with a coach out of ideas, strong on dictatorial processes who puts favouritism before form. We are going backwards, and currently have a squad struggling to connect with its fanbase. If this path is continued to be followed we will be remembered more for butchering of opportunity than best team in the world.
What has happened since was the polar opposite of what we hoped would occur. Eddie grew ever more introvert, rather than expanding and learning, he increasingly contracted our play and style. The backs became irrelevant beyond chasing up n under after up n unders. Good line out ball became a simple play of 9-10 and hoof. Eddie became obsessed with playing without the ball and on physicality only. Maybe 20 years ago this would of worked, yet with the advancements in the game this was a strategy that was doomed to failure. New Zealand still form the blueprint, with S.A not far behind. Teams need a solid foundation of defence and discipline, however you also need a effective and dangerous back line, a ability to turn defence into attack in a heartbeat, to play heads up rugby, to think independently, and also to treasure possession when it is hard fought for.....you cannot win games without the ball, yet Jones thought exactly the opposite.
However the above only works if you select the correct players and have a selection policy that reinforces this. All teams need a core leadership group, players that are first names on the teamsheet. However if those players are short of game time, of match fitness or not playing well their places should still be open to alternate selection options. This works on 2 levels;
1: You keep the door open for new players, you generate a pathway, a hope and a goal to aim for. You do not create complacency, and you do not demotivate those trying to breakthrough by creating favouritism. You generate competition where all players know they have to keep their standards high to keep the jersey, and that jersey and number continues to hold the reverence to which it deserves, and is felt by all those who wear it. Eddie Jones has destroyed this by picking players with neither form nor performance to justify selection, and the test side is NEVER the place to be finding this once again. Interestingly with regards to the huge honour of playing for England, on a tour of HQ for my birthday the tour guide said Eddie Jones simply sees the changing room as ‘the sheds’, this one fact exposes a deeper misunderstanding that he does not understand the psychology and environment required, thus taking away the privilege of what it truly means to play for England.
2: You engage the fan and support base. We are intelligent people -aside from those who had access to opposable thumbs and twitter last night to shamefully blast a reporter that asked questions most of us were thinking - and you bring us all together supporting the same goal. This support IS felt by the players and coaches, and equally supports those players and coaches trying to breakthough, reaffirming their drive to get in and be part of it. This agains drives standards higher still as you are selecting the very best. Once more Eddie Jones has not understood nor respected this. His negative style, more combative comments and frankly absurd sentences such as ‘selection is not important.....we are hiding our attacking game until the world cup so others cannot adjust to our style in time’ is far more divisive than unifying.
So we came to this tournament, England seem more a team circling the wagons, distancing more and more from the ethics and core components of the game where successful teams thrive. Discipline, ability, evolution, competition, style have all suffered as a consequence. And then the perfect storm occurred yesterday...we can hide behind questionable refereeing decisions -and that has a part to play- but it should not detract from the sequence of events that has led us to where we are. I ran into a fellow England fan walking yesterday, and like me he felt we would lose the game, and we both reflected the same dissociative signs of struggling to engage with our national team. We both felt performance and discipline were problems, and that we did not have the ability to adjust and overcome. Unfortunately our thoughts were born out. 18 months compressed into 80 minutes in Cardiff.
We are behind the proverbial 8 ball with a coach out of ideas, strong on dictatorial processes who puts favouritism before form. We are going backwards, and currently have a squad struggling to connect with its fanbase. If this path is continued to be followed we will be remembered more for butchering of opportunity than best team in the world.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Morning all!
« on: February 27, 2021, 06:13:28 AM »
Good morning all Waspies from a quiet Guildford. Once more in the race between myself and the lark I have emerged from my pit before my feathered adversary. Whilst he is still dreaming of full bird feeders and a nest full of chicks I have the coffee on the go, whilst preparing to take a walk to th shop to grab today’s newspaper and absorb the build up to our boys taking on Irish and our opponents in red across the Severn.
For our Lads in black and gold, today is all about effort, effort in the tackle, effort in the set piece, effort in attack and also effort in defence. Last week was like watching the energiser bunny when the batteries are going flat. Yes the movement is there, but it was all that little bit slower, and you knew a simple push would knock our furry friend off his paws and onto his cotton tail. That same fragility so apparent against Tigers cannot be repeated today. All the team need to show up, but some such as ogre and rowlands need to make amends just a little more. If we play to our potential we can win. However we must put an 80 minute effort in, as you know Irish -who nearly completed a remarkable comeback against Bristol last week - will be giving their all.
And then to England v Wales. It needs little introduction..Yes the pubs will not be heaving today (that day is coming), No streets packed with foreign invaders clad in white with the red rose proudly standing singing swing low, whilst red clothed defenders unite to sing bread of heaven with equal feverish revere. No boiling atmosphere will be in the stands, however this will still be there in every rugby loving household across both countries today. Both Wales and England have been misfiring this tournament, and both equally could win or lose this. Eddies boys look clunky, void of attacking coherence and out of sorts. However there is also this little feeling that if everything clicks, if the misfire on the England chariot is corrected and the power can come through, then an irresistible force could be released to overwhelm whatever Wales have in store. Yet equally have we the mechanic in Eddie who is able to realise this? Wales have their own grease lightening in young Rees Zammit. He has all the potential and ability to be a quality test player for many years, and it gladdens the soul to see that rugby is still a game for all shapes and sizes where orcs and billy whizzes can still play side by side. Any team with AWJ at the helm will be competitive, and he inspires others to follow, especially at home. Wales do have the ability to get the triple crown, yet like England they have an underlying fragility. Faced with 14 men in opposition for very significant portions of both their opening tests should of meant finishing the stronger, however on both occasions they were hanging on both physically and psychologically...more a marathon runner on both knees lurching for the finish rather than a sprinter flying through the finishing tape. This has been a surprise to me, and something that a very intelligent man such as Pivac would not of missed. Maybe this is what inspired the ‘ive not seen them fitter’ comment from the Welsh this week?
Both games could go either way, both are horribly difficult to call. Results could lead to either rugby nirvana with victory, or the unthinkable emotions of defeat. But the unknown is what keeps us loving our game and coming back time after time. It is the same risk and reward as the regular pre match stadium bought pie. It can either leave you happy, full and content, or sitting on the loo with your head in your hands and your bowels all over the place.....and we would not have it any other way!
Come on Wasps and Come on England!!!
Chris
Once a Wasp, ALWAYS a Wasp!
For our Lads in black and gold, today is all about effort, effort in the tackle, effort in the set piece, effort in attack and also effort in defence. Last week was like watching the energiser bunny when the batteries are going flat. Yes the movement is there, but it was all that little bit slower, and you knew a simple push would knock our furry friend off his paws and onto his cotton tail. That same fragility so apparent against Tigers cannot be repeated today. All the team need to show up, but some such as ogre and rowlands need to make amends just a little more. If we play to our potential we can win. However we must put an 80 minute effort in, as you know Irish -who nearly completed a remarkable comeback against Bristol last week - will be giving their all.
And then to England v Wales. It needs little introduction..Yes the pubs will not be heaving today (that day is coming), No streets packed with foreign invaders clad in white with the red rose proudly standing singing swing low, whilst red clothed defenders unite to sing bread of heaven with equal feverish revere. No boiling atmosphere will be in the stands, however this will still be there in every rugby loving household across both countries today. Both Wales and England have been misfiring this tournament, and both equally could win or lose this. Eddies boys look clunky, void of attacking coherence and out of sorts. However there is also this little feeling that if everything clicks, if the misfire on the England chariot is corrected and the power can come through, then an irresistible force could be released to overwhelm whatever Wales have in store. Yet equally have we the mechanic in Eddie who is able to realise this? Wales have their own grease lightening in young Rees Zammit. He has all the potential and ability to be a quality test player for many years, and it gladdens the soul to see that rugby is still a game for all shapes and sizes where orcs and billy whizzes can still play side by side. Any team with AWJ at the helm will be competitive, and he inspires others to follow, especially at home. Wales do have the ability to get the triple crown, yet like England they have an underlying fragility. Faced with 14 men in opposition for very significant portions of both their opening tests should of meant finishing the stronger, however on both occasions they were hanging on both physically and psychologically...more a marathon runner on both knees lurching for the finish rather than a sprinter flying through the finishing tape. This has been a surprise to me, and something that a very intelligent man such as Pivac would not of missed. Maybe this is what inspired the ‘ive not seen them fitter’ comment from the Welsh this week?
Both games could go either way, both are horribly difficult to call. Results could lead to either rugby nirvana with victory, or the unthinkable emotions of defeat. But the unknown is what keeps us loving our game and coming back time after time. It is the same risk and reward as the regular pre match stadium bought pie. It can either leave you happy, full and content, or sitting on the loo with your head in your hands and your bowels all over the place.....and we would not have it any other way!
Come on Wasps and Come on England!!!
Chris
Once a Wasp, ALWAYS a Wasp!
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Homeward bound?
« on: February 22, 2021, 08:55:43 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/22/rugby-union-british-irish-lions-south-africa-tour-relocate-home-tour
I will and always will remain a ‘lions are a touring team’ person. However these are unique times and after everything that has happened over the last year perhaps a one off home tour would be exactly what the doctor ordered. It would be a absolutely phenomenal one off that would have stadiums, pubs/clubs/rugby clubs bars full generating huge income for rugby both professionally and at grass roots throughout the land...whilst also generating huge excitement. Ally this with the face there is a large SA expat community then both teams will have ample support to tap into.
World champions v the Lions in a one off home nations tour? What is not to like or equally realise that this is a chance for a huge success beyond parallel.
I will and always will remain a ‘lions are a touring team’ person. However these are unique times and after everything that has happened over the last year perhaps a one off home tour would be exactly what the doctor ordered. It would be a absolutely phenomenal one off that would have stadiums, pubs/clubs/rugby clubs bars full generating huge income for rugby both professionally and at grass roots throughout the land...whilst also generating huge excitement. Ally this with the face there is a large SA expat community then both teams will have ample support to tap into.
World champions v the Lions in a one off home nations tour? What is not to like or equally realise that this is a chance for a huge success beyond parallel.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Leicester Tigers v Wasps post match thoughts.
« on: February 20, 2021, 05:06:53 PM »
There are 2 non negotiables in rugby;
1: From first whistle to last you play at 100%
2: You put your body on the line with the greatest physicality you can muster.
First off well done Tigers, Borthwick is creating the style of old that serves them so well. Top 6 is a strong possibility for them. For us, well, it pains me to say this but I was embarrassed today. When i saw the teams i held little hope for us winning, too many key players missing. But equally this was a chance for those playing to establish themselves...they did not.
We were second in EVERY facet of the game, but worst of all we were scared...Rowlands and Brookes stepping out of tackles, Umaga avoiding catching the high ball. Then where is that 100% commitment? No where to be seen, no control in the set piece, no backs to the wall attempts when being beaten in the maul...no rush to get back to support the ball carrier running it from the back and minimal during our limited phase play.
At one stage we had 19% possession.....19%!!! But if you are scared and not putting in your all then it is probably more than we deserve.
Today we saw a side not capable, not capable of posing a threat, a challenge. Not capable of going further in Europe. Not capable of being considered top 6 material. If this team want respect and our support then this must be the line in the sand.
1: From first whistle to last you play at 100%
2: You put your body on the line with the greatest physicality you can muster.
First off well done Tigers, Borthwick is creating the style of old that serves them so well. Top 6 is a strong possibility for them. For us, well, it pains me to say this but I was embarrassed today. When i saw the teams i held little hope for us winning, too many key players missing. But equally this was a chance for those playing to establish themselves...they did not.
We were second in EVERY facet of the game, but worst of all we were scared...Rowlands and Brookes stepping out of tackles, Umaga avoiding catching the high ball. Then where is that 100% commitment? No where to be seen, no control in the set piece, no backs to the wall attempts when being beaten in the maul...no rush to get back to support the ball carrier running it from the back and minimal during our limited phase play.
At one stage we had 19% possession.....19%!!! But if you are scared and not putting in your all then it is probably more than we deserve.
Today we saw a side not capable, not capable of posing a threat, a challenge. Not capable of going further in Europe. Not capable of being considered top 6 material. If this team want respect and our support then this must be the line in the sand.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Morning all!
« on: February 20, 2021, 06:15:44 AM »
Morning all Waspies from a dark and quiet Guildford...I am up with the lark -although at this hour I think the lark is still tucked away- and getting the old percolator going to infuse the house with that wonderful caffeinated beverage aroma kindly supplied from Columbia (at least this is one thing they export legally). This is the start of a week off for myself and the wife who herself is a medic/area manager in the ambulance service, and we are looking forward to removing our collective noses from the grindstone temporarily and enjoying the rugby, starting with our lads trip to Welford Road today.
Strangely I am not confident on this game, Borthwicks style and fingerprint is starting to become more apparent from our neighbours this term. I always felt that Cockerill was the fulcrum of Tigers success and built on that hard nosed forward edge the Richards cultivated so well. Over recent seasons their identity was lost, and even had the faithful in the Crumbie scratching their heads as they watched their team slide towards the trap door. However one of gods angels must wear a tigers shirt as it was only Saracens self inflicted demolition of their success and lack of honest transparency that saved them from their first ever relegation. This is not a concern for them this year, as although they are not flying ever upwards on a irresistible wave, they are getting their edge back, some creativity and grittiness that teams in our wonderful game require. They are no means the finished article as last week against Quins proved, but they are also by no means a threat to be ignored.
We on the other hand are still finding our feet since the enforced break. Last week against Warriors was a little to Jekyll and Hyde for my comfort. A wonderful, controlled first forty was followed by a poorly managed second. It was a step forward from the abolition that was the Harlequins game and the left our brains in the changing room fixture that was the Northampton tie, but much remains for Lee and his coaches to work upon. Injuries and call ups have had an impact, but this is a time for the wider squad to shine, to show that they deserve not only to be playing but to keep on doing so when others return. Do not get me wrong, I have faith in our squad, our academy and our coaches, and I feel we will be pushing around top 4/6 come seasons end, but something Intangible in my gripe water feels that Tigers will out today.
I may be predicting a Tigers home win, but I will be cheering our lads on to victory as well....counterintuitive some might say, but to us rugby and Wasp mad brethren I would have it no other way!
Come on you Wasps!
Chris
Once a Wasp ALWAYS a Wasp!
Strangely I am not confident on this game, Borthwicks style and fingerprint is starting to become more apparent from our neighbours this term. I always felt that Cockerill was the fulcrum of Tigers success and built on that hard nosed forward edge the Richards cultivated so well. Over recent seasons their identity was lost, and even had the faithful in the Crumbie scratching their heads as they watched their team slide towards the trap door. However one of gods angels must wear a tigers shirt as it was only Saracens self inflicted demolition of their success and lack of honest transparency that saved them from their first ever relegation. This is not a concern for them this year, as although they are not flying ever upwards on a irresistible wave, they are getting their edge back, some creativity and grittiness that teams in our wonderful game require. They are no means the finished article as last week against Quins proved, but they are also by no means a threat to be ignored.
We on the other hand are still finding our feet since the enforced break. Last week against Warriors was a little to Jekyll and Hyde for my comfort. A wonderful, controlled first forty was followed by a poorly managed second. It was a step forward from the abolition that was the Harlequins game and the left our brains in the changing room fixture that was the Northampton tie, but much remains for Lee and his coaches to work upon. Injuries and call ups have had an impact, but this is a time for the wider squad to shine, to show that they deserve not only to be playing but to keep on doing so when others return. Do not get me wrong, I have faith in our squad, our academy and our coaches, and I feel we will be pushing around top 4/6 come seasons end, but something Intangible in my gripe water feels that Tigers will out today.
I may be predicting a Tigers home win, but I will be cheering our lads on to victory as well....counterintuitive some might say, but to us rugby and Wasp mad brethren I would have it no other way!
Come on you Wasps!
Chris
Once a Wasp ALWAYS a Wasp!
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Worcester v Wasps post match thoughts
« on: February 14, 2021, 05:09:36 PM »
A game of two halves.
I cannot recall a game where playing into the wind was a benefit rather than a hindrance, however today was the exception that broke the rule.
First 40 the best I have seen us play this year. Second forty was a good defensive set, but little offered in attack. Warriors kicked well and also dominated possession. Discipline wobbled with JTA, but Tom W was immense and deserved his man of the match.
Much to work on, and next week is tantalising as we head to Welford Road to take on Tigers.
I cannot recall a game where playing into the wind was a benefit rather than a hindrance, however today was the exception that broke the rule.
First 40 the best I have seen us play this year. Second forty was a good defensive set, but little offered in attack. Warriors kicked well and also dominated possession. Discipline wobbled with JTA, but Tom W was immense and deserved his man of the match.
Much to work on, and next week is tantalising as we head to Welford Road to take on Tigers.
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Wasps v Northampton post match thoughts
« on: February 06, 2021, 03:08:55 PM »
Missing the top 2 inches.
No one to blame but ourselves.
Its hard to draw other conclusions at present. Harlequins last week and Northampton this week. No insult to those two clubs, but if we want to be pushing top 4 and winning silverwear you must beat sides like this at your home ground. A LBP is little consolation. Last week was beaten in all facets, this week it was beating ourselves. So many elementary errors, so many silly decisions, so little control.
There are some bright spots. Atkinson impressed, Vellacot showed hustle and a hint of what he is able to do. Ogre, potential but has to sort his discipline and ball retention out. Miller brought stability at 15.
However Shields needs to step up more, Umaga is now struggling and needs a break from the game to get his confidence and head back. Our pack is lacking physocal edge once more, and I am now wondering whether it is time to look at a replacement for Brookes (injuries, ill discipline and errors follow him everywhere. His bad outweighs his good)
We do have a young squad and the potential is there, but currently we are a long way from top 4 quality, and we have a huge amount of work to do, and psychology + discipline is needed sooner rather than later!
No one to blame but ourselves.
Its hard to draw other conclusions at present. Harlequins last week and Northampton this week. No insult to those two clubs, but if we want to be pushing top 4 and winning silverwear you must beat sides like this at your home ground. A LBP is little consolation. Last week was beaten in all facets, this week it was beating ourselves. So many elementary errors, so many silly decisions, so little control.
There are some bright spots. Atkinson impressed, Vellacot showed hustle and a hint of what he is able to do. Ogre, potential but has to sort his discipline and ball retention out. Miller brought stability at 15.
However Shields needs to step up more, Umaga is now struggling and needs a break from the game to get his confidence and head back. Our pack is lacking physocal edge once more, and I am now wondering whether it is time to look at a replacement for Brookes (injuries, ill discipline and errors follow him everywhere. His bad outweighs his good)
We do have a young squad and the potential is there, but currently we are a long way from top 4 quality, and we have a huge amount of work to do, and psychology + discipline is needed sooner rather than later!
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Morning all!
« on: February 06, 2021, 07:01:25 AM »
A very good morning from a pleasantly quiet Guildford. I am up with the lark as is usual for me, coffee is in the machine with its smooth caramel and chocolate notes infusing the air and spreading gently throughout the house. There are few more wonderful aromas to wake us from our slumber, and sampling that wonderful brew whilst taking the morning air is a treat I will never take for granted. Thus my pre game ritual has commenced! And thus the hound will be walked, the paper absorbed of all rugby related material and ‘fighting talk’ on 5 live enjoyed, before we settle down to see our boys take on Saints at the gardens, before the oldest and one of the most exciting test matches in the worlds finest annual tournament begins! Manna from heaven indeed!
Last week was a rude awakening for us Waspies. A perfect storm of a rejuvenated Quins with the shackles off came up against a lacklustre performance from our entire 23 for 80 minutes. Lee was right when he commented that there was no positives to draw from the game as were beaten all ends up. Set piece, passing, communication, execution, decision making, physicality, psychologically, leadership, tactics. We lost every battle and deserved exactly what we got. I said at the time that post game analysis here held little to no value. Where the lesson is, is for us to remember that game, remember the defeat, burn it into our psyche and use it as motivation never to repeat that performance again.
Changes have been made this weekend, Porter is out, Umaga benching being key as the 9-10 axis misfired last week. Yet the forwards need to step up as that did not help matters. Yes injuries and international call ups have an impact. But if we are to constantly be a top 4 team then this will be an annual problem. This is a squad game and the squad must be good enough to keep pushing when those players are away. It must start this week, and it must start against a Saints team buoyed by recent victory.
Then, the Calcutta cup. As a rugby person to my core this is the fixture i look for first every season. The first international against the auld enemy. Yes we will miss the excitement of the crowd, and Many of us (including myself) will miss those precious moments of heading to HQ/down the pub/to a gathering of friends in a house to witness this battle. But be assured those days WILL return once more. But until that day the excitement is still palpable. Todays test is banjo string tight. Scotland have a good and improving test team. Under Jones of late we have played narrowly and with a limited game plan. It has been effective, but it is fallible, and if we come up against a team that physically matches or bests us, it is also easily beatable! Has Jones played a blinder and is going to expand on these tactics, because of you want to be the best team in the world you need more than one or two bows (EDIT: not bows, i meant to say arrows! Good spot Wonky!
) in you quiver. If not questions must start to be asked because with the talent and resources we have only the error of ways or inability of the individual would be reason not to use them.
My other concern is a lack of game time from too many key players in our squad. This is a weakness that Scotland can and will exploit. And should defeat occur then immediate response should be considered as players cannot be picked on reputation alone, they need to be out there regularly performing for their club. Those from premiership games cancelled have a good reason. Those who remain with a club that is not even playing and may well not do have tougher reasons to merit selection.
Make no bones about it, these are two games that could be banjo string tight and absolute thrillers. Saints and Wasps I cannot call. The calcutta cup? Well it may be a losing streak at HQ stretching back to the 1980s may end today as I have them slight favourites.
Whatever happens though, my beer is charged, my wasps and England gear adorned and I cannot wait for it to begin as we cheer our boys in black and gold and our England lads on! Lets get this rugby party started!!!
Chris
Once a Wasp ALWAYS a Wasp!
Last week was a rude awakening for us Waspies. A perfect storm of a rejuvenated Quins with the shackles off came up against a lacklustre performance from our entire 23 for 80 minutes. Lee was right when he commented that there was no positives to draw from the game as were beaten all ends up. Set piece, passing, communication, execution, decision making, physicality, psychologically, leadership, tactics. We lost every battle and deserved exactly what we got. I said at the time that post game analysis here held little to no value. Where the lesson is, is for us to remember that game, remember the defeat, burn it into our psyche and use it as motivation never to repeat that performance again.
Changes have been made this weekend, Porter is out, Umaga benching being key as the 9-10 axis misfired last week. Yet the forwards need to step up as that did not help matters. Yes injuries and international call ups have an impact. But if we are to constantly be a top 4 team then this will be an annual problem. This is a squad game and the squad must be good enough to keep pushing when those players are away. It must start this week, and it must start against a Saints team buoyed by recent victory.
Then, the Calcutta cup. As a rugby person to my core this is the fixture i look for first every season. The first international against the auld enemy. Yes we will miss the excitement of the crowd, and Many of us (including myself) will miss those precious moments of heading to HQ/down the pub/to a gathering of friends in a house to witness this battle. But be assured those days WILL return once more. But until that day the excitement is still palpable. Todays test is banjo string tight. Scotland have a good and improving test team. Under Jones of late we have played narrowly and with a limited game plan. It has been effective, but it is fallible, and if we come up against a team that physically matches or bests us, it is also easily beatable! Has Jones played a blinder and is going to expand on these tactics, because of you want to be the best team in the world you need more than one or two bows (EDIT: not bows, i meant to say arrows! Good spot Wonky!
) in you quiver. If not questions must start to be asked because with the talent and resources we have only the error of ways or inability of the individual would be reason not to use them. My other concern is a lack of game time from too many key players in our squad. This is a weakness that Scotland can and will exploit. And should defeat occur then immediate response should be considered as players cannot be picked on reputation alone, they need to be out there regularly performing for their club. Those from premiership games cancelled have a good reason. Those who remain with a club that is not even playing and may well not do have tougher reasons to merit selection.
Make no bones about it, these are two games that could be banjo string tight and absolute thrillers. Saints and Wasps I cannot call. The calcutta cup? Well it may be a losing streak at HQ stretching back to the 1980s may end today as I have them slight favourites.
Whatever happens though, my beer is charged, my wasps and England gear adorned and I cannot wait for it to begin as we cheer our boys in black and gold and our England lads on! Lets get this rugby party started!!!
Chris
Once a Wasp ALWAYS a Wasp!
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Wasps Rugby Discussion / Wasps v Harlequins post match thoughts.
« on: January 31, 2021, 05:12:42 PM »
Well the final whistle has just gone so what are your thoughts?
I for one are rather sanguine. I had a feeling throughout the week that we would lose. It is disappointing that we shipped so many points at home. But Quins brought intensity, speed of play and physicality and we could not match it this week. Will this be a dead cat bounce from Quins or the start of something more?....my suspicion is that the former is more likely, as when pressure of expectation elevates and as the season draws on, with international returnees for other clubs, their challenge will fade. But full credit to them, they did a complete job on us today.
For us, well injuries and international call ups had an impact, but we failed to play enough heads up rugby. We did not really change our game plan to manage Quins gain line press. Umaga did a couple of kicks through, but his inexperience also shone through as the game progressed. He is quality, but he is a work in progress (but one well worth continuing investing in). Porter played well, but struggled to adjust to the challenge, quick ball at the ruck was needed and too many times he delayed when more urgency was needed. Wolfstenholm brought this, but again made errors of judgement. Tapping and going v kicking for touch being a prime example.
The forwards need to take this as well, they were beaten and beaten well. This is a dent in their pride, but sometimes you have to use this as motivation.
Saints are next up, and we need to re-establish ourselves and our game plan starting Saturday. We take this loss, learn and move on.
I for one are rather sanguine. I had a feeling throughout the week that we would lose. It is disappointing that we shipped so many points at home. But Quins brought intensity, speed of play and physicality and we could not match it this week. Will this be a dead cat bounce from Quins or the start of something more?....my suspicion is that the former is more likely, as when pressure of expectation elevates and as the season draws on, with international returnees for other clubs, their challenge will fade. But full credit to them, they did a complete job on us today.
For us, well injuries and international call ups had an impact, but we failed to play enough heads up rugby. We did not really change our game plan to manage Quins gain line press. Umaga did a couple of kicks through, but his inexperience also shone through as the game progressed. He is quality, but he is a work in progress (but one well worth continuing investing in). Porter played well, but struggled to adjust to the challenge, quick ball at the ruck was needed and too many times he delayed when more urgency was needed. Wolfstenholm brought this, but again made errors of judgement. Tapping and going v kicking for touch being a prime example.
The forwards need to take this as well, they were beaten and beaten well. This is a dent in their pride, but sometimes you have to use this as motivation.
Saints are next up, and we need to re-establish ourselves and our game plan starting Saturday. We take this loss, learn and move on.